I am getting ready to do some block / concrete / stone work.

This work will be in a location at 7500' elevation, so there is
freezing/thawing. The coldest temp last winter was -7F outside.

I have decided to use sack mix for anything involving concrete. However,
for mortar, I need some help.

Please direct me to a site, or provide explanations about how the amounts of
the different components ......... Portland, sand, lime, etc effects the
properties of Mortar. I will want to mix some for the joints between the
cinder blocks in a retaining wall. I will want some to butter some fake
stones and make them stick fast to the surface of that wall. I will need
some to squeeze into the joints of stacked natural rock to fill up the
voids.

Help appreciated, or direct me to a site.

Thanks

Steve

For professional information go to the brick institute:
http://www.bia.org/html/frmset_thnt.htm

Click on technical information and read about
Section 1 - cold weather,
Section 7 - water resistance
Section 8 - mortars
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"Steve B" wrote in message
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I am getting ready to do some block / concrete / stone work.

This work will be in a location at 7500' elevation, so there is
freezing/thawing. The coldest temp last winter was -7F outside.

I have decided to use sack mix for anything involving concrete.
However, for mortar, I need some help.

Please direct me to a site, or provide explanations about how
the amounts of the different components ......... Portland,
sand, lime, etc effects the properties of Mortar. I will want
to mix some for the joints between the cinder blocks in a
retaining wall. I will want some to butter some fake stones and
make them stick fast to the surface of that wall. I will need
some to squeeze into the joints of stacked natural rock to fill
up the voids.

Help appreciated, or direct me to a site.

Thanks

Steve

Steve B wrote:
I am getting ready to do some block / concrete / stone work.

This work will be in a location at 7500' elevation, so there is
freezing/thawing. The coldest temp last winter was -7F outside.

I have decided to use sack mix for anything involving concrete. However,
for mortar, I need some help.

Please direct me to a site, or provide explanations about how the amounts of
the different components ......... Portland, sand, lime, etc effects the
properties of Mortar. I will want to mix some for the joints between the
cinder blocks in a retaining wall. I will want some to butter some fake
stones and make them stick fast to the surface of that wall. I will need
some to squeeze into the joints of stacked natural rock to fill up the
voids.

Help appreciated, or direct me to a site.

Thanks

Steve

They also have mortar mix in sacks that you only have to add water to.
I have used it for building with block and for buttering fake stone to
apply to a vertical wall.

Harry K

"Harry K" wrote

They also have mortar mix in sacks that you only have to add water to.
I have used it for building with block and for buttering fake stone to
apply to a vertical wall.

Harry K


I have seen those, Harry. I would just like to know the effects of throwing
in some extra Portland or lime when it comes to adherence and freeze/thaw
cycle resistance.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"Harry K" wrote

They also have mortar mix in sacks that you only have to add water to.
I have used it for building with block and for buttering fake stone to
apply to a vertical wall.

Harry K


I have seen those, Harry. I would just like to know the effects of throwing
in some extra Portland or lime when it comes to adherence and freeze/thaw
cycle resistance.

Steve

Hello: My father was a mason, and he used straight portland cement and
water to butter flagstone to adhere to a dried concrete base. However,
talk to the counter help at a mason's supply house in your area. also,
go to website: cement.org/ for a consult.

Steve B wrote:
"Harry K" wrote

They also have mortar mix in sacks that you only have to add water to.
I have used it for building with block and for buttering fake stone to
apply to a vertical wall.

Harry K


I have seen those, Harry. I would just like to know the effects of throwing
in some extra Portland or lime when it comes to adherence and freeze/thaw
cycle resistance.

Steve

Good. I do the same when using pre-mix concrete. I can't help with
the mix ratio as it has been too many years ago that I dug into that.

Harry K

"Jeff" wrote

great explanation snipped

I pulled out my POCKET REF by Thomas J. Glover earlier to look something up,
and they had this info. With all this information available, sometimes,
it's like looking up how to spell a word. You almost have to know the
answer before you can ask the question.

Thanks, all.

Steve

"Harry K" wrote in message ups.com...



Good. I do the same when using pre-mix concrete. I can't help with
the mix ratio as it has been too many years ago that I dug into that.

Harry K

There are three general mix specifications: N, S, and M (and O). N contains the least amount of cement and is the most common - M
contains the most cement and is made for ground contact and heavy duty applications. S is in-between.

The N and S are the most common and you can get them premixed or ready to add sand. I've never seen the M specification in either.
For homes, the masons in our area are using either N or S, although for all I know they are putting in more sand than they should to
keep the costs down. I just built a small brick ground-contact wall and mixed to the M specification.

http://www.masonrymagazine.com/9-02/mixing.html

Type M: high compression strength
Type M has the highest proportion of portland cement, with
3 parts portland cement,
1 part lime and
12 parts sand.
Type M has a high compressive strength (at least 2500 psi)
and is recommended primarily for walls bearing heavy loads,
but also, due to its durability, for masonry below grade or in
contact with the earth: foundations, retaining walls, sidewalks and driveways.

Type S: compression and tensile strength
Type S is sometimes specified for masonry at or below grade, but offers another quality.
S has high compressive strength (1800 psi) but adds high tensile bond strength.
S contains
2 parts portland cement,
1 part hydrated lime and
9 parts sand,
and yields maximum flexural strength to fight wind, soil pressure or earthquakes.

Type N: for exterior, above-grade walls
Type N is a medium compressive-strength (750 psi) mortar made of
1 part portland cement,
1 part lime and
6 parts sand.
Type N is recommended for most exterior,
above-grade walls exposed to severe weather, including chimneys.

Type O: for interior or non-load-bearing use
Type O has a low compressive strength (about 350 psi), containing
1 part portland cement,
2 parts lime and
9 parts sand.
O is recommended for interior and limited exterior use in non-load-bearing walls.




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