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Dano July 24th 06 10:38 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
Hello- I wish to convert my 220v circuits to 110v as I have brought
natural gas into the home leaving free dedicated circuits from the old
elec. dryer, range and water heater.

I intend to switch out the breaker to a single pole 20 amp attach the
black wire to the new breaker and the second hot (red) I will lable
white and attach to the rail. The new 110 outlet I would rewire
normally. Is this procedure up to NEC snuff?

What if I needed a longer line and spliced (inside a junction box) to a
smaller gage wire such at 12/2 romex?

Thanks.


Andy July 24th 06 11:07 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 

Dano wrote:
Hello- I wish to convert my 220v circuits to 110v as I have brought
natural gas into the home leaving free dedicated circuits from the old
elec. dryer, range and water heater.

I intend to switch out the breaker to a single pole 20 amp attach the
black wire to the new breaker and the second hot (red) I will lable
white and attach to the rail. The new 110 outlet I would rewire
normally. Is this procedure up to NEC snuff?

What if I needed a longer line and spliced (inside a junction box) to a
smaller gage wire such at 12/2 romex?

Thanks.


Andy writes:

I would NOT attach the red wire to anything. Just label it, cap of
off, and
leave it pendant. You might want to use it at a later time.....
A wire left pendant makes it obvious it is not being used. If it is
attached, the next
guy to look in the box won't know what the hell you did with it....
You might put a tag on it saying something like "Unused, formerly to
dryer in
laundry room", just to make it easy for everyone....

Andy in Eureka, Texas


Doug Miller July 25th 06 12:47 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
In article . com, "Dano" wrote:
Hello- I wish to convert my 220v circuits to 110v as I have brought
natural gas into the home leaving free dedicated circuits from the old
elec. dryer, range and water heater.

I intend to switch out the breaker to a single pole 20 amp attach the
black wire to the new breaker and the second hot (red) I will lable
white and attach to the rail. The new 110 outlet I would rewire
normally. Is this procedure up to NEC snuff?


No.

The NEC specifically requires that neutral conductors 6-gauge and smaller be
white or gray end-to-end. It's absolutely a Code violation to re-label a red
wire as a neutral, unless it's larger than 6-gauge.
[NEC 2005, Article 200.6(A)]

What if I needed a longer line and spliced (inside a junction box) to a
smaller gage wire such at 12/2 romex?


Same issue.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Dano July 25th 06 02:41 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
That's what I was look for. Thanks.

Doug Miller wrote:
In article . com, "Dano" wrote:
Hello- I wish to convert my 220v circuits to 110v as I have brought
natural gas into the home leaving free dedicated circuits from the old
elec. dryer, range and water heater.

I intend to switch out the breaker to a single pole 20 amp attach the
black wire to the new breaker and the second hot (red) I will lable
white and attach to the rail. The new 110 outlet I would rewire
normally. Is this procedure up to NEC snuff?


No.

The NEC specifically requires that neutral conductors 6-gauge and smaller be
white or gray end-to-end. It's absolutely a Code violation to re-label a red
wire as a neutral, unless it's larger than 6-gauge.
[NEC 2005, Article 200.6(A)]

What if I needed a longer line and spliced (inside a junction box) to a
smaller gage wire such at 12/2 romex?


Same issue.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.



peter July 25th 06 02:50 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
om...

The NEC specifically requires that neutral conductors 6-gauge and smaller
be
white or gray end-to-end. It's absolutely a Code violation to re-label a
red
wire as a neutral, unless it's larger than 6-gauge.
[NEC 2005, Article 200.6(A)]


Why does it only apply if the conductor is 6-gauge and smaller. Do you mean
smaller gauge (larger wire), or smaller wire (larger gauge)?? This gauge
unit seems to be defined backwards (and is #1 gauge the largest wire
possible?)



Tom Horne, Electrician July 25th 06 03:10 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
peter wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
om...
The NEC specifically requires that neutral conductors 6-gauge and smaller
be
white or gray end-to-end. It's absolutely a Code violation to re-label a
red
wire as a neutral, unless it's larger than 6-gauge.
[NEC 2005, Article 200.6(A)]


Why does it only apply if the conductor is 6-gauge and smaller. Do you mean
smaller gauge (larger wire), or smaller wire (larger gauge)?? This gauge
unit seems to be defined backwards (and is #1 gauge the largest wire
possible?)



The reason for requiring continuous marking up to six gage is that
larger conductors are not readily available with continuous jacket color
coding.

Wires larger than #6 American Wire Gage are only required to be marked
at the terminations and other accessible points.

When the gage was devised it was believed that #1 was the largest gage
possible. Then gage 0; said as ought; was added, followed by 2/0, 3/0
and 4/0 (four ought) until they finally gave in to the inevitable and
began using circular mills to size wires larger than 4/0.
--
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison

Mark Lloyd July 25th 06 06:23 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:50:05 GMT, "peter" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. com...

The NEC specifically requires that neutral conductors 6-gauge and smaller
be
white or gray end-to-end. It's absolutely a Code violation to re-label a
red
wire as a neutral, unless it's larger than 6-gauge.
[NEC 2005, Article 200.6(A)]


Why does it only apply if the conductor is 6-gauge and smaller. Do you mean
smaller gauge (larger wire), or smaller wire (larger gauge)??
This gauge
unit seems to be defined backwards (and is #1 gauge the largest wire
possible?)


#0 would be larger. For even larger, they use multiple zeros, 00, 000,
0000. Larger than that, I think they use the actual wire measurement.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Dano July 25th 06 06:37 PM

NEC re-wire help!
 


I bet there is a white wire in there


I will take another look, but when I stripped the outlet end there was
only a black, red and ground. 10 gage I believe.



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