The water in the bathroom gets extremely hot for about 2 mins and then
there is no more hot
water. I think there is something definitely wrong with the water
heater. The funny thing is that its only a year old! Any suggestions???

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The water in the bathroom gets extremely hot for about 2 mins and then
there is no more hot
water. I think there is something definitely wrong with the water
heater. The funny thing is that its only a year old! Any suggestions???


The problem only exists in the bathroom? Not the kitchen sink?

Is it a problem in the bathroom sink AND the shower, or just one of them?

Where you see the problem, do you have single handle faucet(s), or two
knobs, one for hot and one for cold?

Is it electric,if it is maybe only the top element works, check its
setting.

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
Is it electric,if it is maybe only the top element works, check its
setting.


But only in the bathroom? I forgot to ask the OP if there are separate water
heaters for kitchen and bathroom.

wrote:
The water in the bathroom gets extremely hot for about 2 mins and then
there is no more hot
water. I think there is something definitely wrong with the water
heater. The funny thing is that its only a year old! Any
suggestions???

I would normally say dip tube or if electric, lower element, but ONLY in
the bath?? How about getting back to us and tell us some more details, like
is it a problem elsewhere? Is it only one faucet in the bath? etc.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:19:15 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

wrote:
The water in the bathroom gets extremely hot for about 2 mins and then
there is no more hot
water. I think there is something definitely wrong with the water
heater. The funny thing is that its only a year old! Any
suggestions???

I would normally say dip tube or if electric, lower element, but ONLY in
the bath?? How about getting back to us and tell us some more details, like
is it a problem elsewhere? Is it only one faucet in the bath? etc.


What DOES happen if you have a temp-regulating bathtub valve,
and swap the hot and cold?

"Goedjn" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:19:15 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

wrote:
The water in the bathroom gets extremely hot for about 2 mins and then
there is no more hot
water. I think there is something definitely wrong with the water
heater. The funny thing is that its only a year old! Any
suggestions???

I would normally say dip tube or if electric, lower element, but ONLY
in
the bath?? How about getting back to us and tell us some more details,
like
is it a problem elsewhere? Is it only one faucet in the bath? etc.


What DOES happen if you have a temp-regulating bathtub valve,
and swap the hot and cold?


I think you end up getting dirty instead of clean, and afterward, the towel
makes you wetter.

you get positive feedback instead of negative and the valve will go to
either full cold or full hot as you pass the setpoint.

Mark

"Mark" wrote in message
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you get positive feedback instead of negative and the valve will go to
either full cold or full hot as you pass the setpoint.

Positive feedback? Negative feedback?

He was talking about the shower, not eBay....

;-]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:38:03 GMT, "Dr. Hardcrab"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
oups.com...
you get positive feedback instead of negative and the valve will go to
either full cold or full hot as you pass the setpoint.

Positive feedback? Negative feedback?

He was talking about the shower, not eBay....

;-]


Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
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Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

Also (considering negative feedback), I remember reading about steam
turbines using negative feedback to control speed (valve would let
more steam in if speed was too low). Then there was this man who hated
machinery, and liked to change that feedback to positive.
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to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

I suspect the word "gain" has little meaning to some people, as compared to
"volume". On a related note, our local supermarket chain now sells "fat free
milk", instead of "skim milk", to cater to a generation of illiterates.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:38:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

I suspect the word "gain" has little meaning to some people, as compared to
"volume".

My interest in electronics and computers may have started because
these things are relatively simple. Consider that electrons never
decide to stop flo0wing for a few minutes because they're mad at you
for wearing red shirts and using the number six too much.

On a related note, our local supermarket chain now sells "fat free
milk", instead of "skim milk", to cater to a generation of illiterates.


I'm seeing more of that here. Ordinary bread can be labeled
"cholesterol free".
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:38:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

It's more specific, but it also controls volume and that was the goal.
They might have used a blanket over the speaker if they could have
made it "automatic" ! (Come to think, they used to use doors in front
of the speaker to adjust volumne.)

So they're both right.

I suspect the word "gain" has little meaning to some people, as compared to
"volume". On a related note, our local supermarket chain now sells "fat free
milk", instead of "skim milk", to cater to a generation of illiterates.

I think they sell both here!!! This has confused me for quite a
while..



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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:42:45 -0500, mm
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:38:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

It's more specific, but it also controls volume and that was the goal.
They might have used a blanket over the speaker if they could have
made it "automatic" ! (Come to think, they used to use doors in front
of the speaker to adjust volumne.)


And I seem to have heard that the first jukeboxes actually used pipes
to distribute the sound.

So they're both right.

Yes, although I thought "gain" was more right. Since that's what's
actually being adjusted. the effect on "volume" is indirect.


I suspect the word "gain" has little meaning to some people, as compared to
"volume". On a related note, our local supermarket chain now sells "fat free
milk", instead of "skim milk", to cater to a generation of illiterates.

I think they sell both here!!! This has confused me for quite a
while..



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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:33:00 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:


So they're both right.

Yes, although I thought "gain" was more right. Since that's what's
actually being adjusted. the effect on "volume" is indirect.

I would have let it drop. That's why I said they're both right.

But actually I think AVC is more right. Where is it written that
directness is thE criterion which determines what something should be
named. Do we call the channel selector on a tv the
turner-frequency-adjuster? Do we call the contrast adjustment the
video bias adjustment? Do we call the brightness the anode amplitude
control?***

I think it is just as or more right to name things after what we
intend, and the goal is to adjust the volume.


***I don't actually know where in the circuit these controls are
found, but the name given to them is based on function, not circuitry.

:-)


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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:38:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:16:25 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:18 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:



Some people don't know what "positive" and "negative" mean. Negative
feedback is used in more places than positive. Even in AGC (Automatic
Gain Control) in radios.

It *was* AVC, automatic Volume Control in radios, and AGC in tvs.
(although they might be both AGC these days. I don't know.)

I hear "AVC" more than "AGC", but "AGC" seemed more correct
(considering that that's what it does).

I suspect the word "gain" has little meaning to some people, as compared
to
"volume".

My interest in electronics and computers may have started because
these things are relatively simple. Consider that electrons never
decide to stop flo0wing for a few minutes because they're mad at you
for wearing red shirts and using the number six too much.

On a related note, our local supermarket chain now sells "fat free
milk", instead of "skim milk", to cater to a generation of illiterates.


I'm seeing more of that here. Ordinary bread can be labeled
"cholesterol free".

Some bottled water says "fat free" on it. Sheeesh......who's their target
customer? Retarded sledge hammers?

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:41:49 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:33:00 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:


So they're both right.

Yes, although I thought "gain" was more right. Since that's what's
actually being adjusted. the effect on "volume" is indirect.

I would have let it drop. That's why I said they're both right.

But actually I think AVC is more right. Where is it written that
directness is thE criterion which determines what something should be
named. Do we call the channel selector on a tv the
turner-frequency-adjuster? Do we call the contrast adjustment the
video bias adjustment? Do we call the brightness the anode amplitude
control?***

I think it is just as or more right to name things after what we
intend, and the goal is to adjust the volume.


***I don't actually know where in the circuit these controls are
found, but the name given to them is based on function, not circuitry.

:-)


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I said that I used "AGC" because that circuit itself is adjusting the
gain of an amplifier (sound is not involved at this point). Volume
(actually too non-specific, volume of WHAT?) is an effect of this.

I was just indicating a personal preference, and making no comment on
anyone else's choice.
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin