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Cost per sq ft for new house in NJ?
I have a friend who is going through the options for obtaining a house
in NJ. One of the possibilities is buying a lot and then building a house on it. Does anyone have an estimate of how much per square foot an average house costs to build. I know it will depend on a lot of things. Not looking for super premium outfitting, nor cheapest either, just avg for a nice 3000-3500 square foot house. Any estimates on how much per sq ft? |
wrote in message oups.com... I have a friend who is going through the options for obtaining a house in NJ. One of the possibilities is buying a lot and then building a house on it. Does anyone have an estimate of how much per square foot an average house costs to build. I know it will depend on a lot of things. Not looking for super premium outfitting, nor cheapest either, just avg for a nice 3000-3500 square foot house. Any estimates on how much per sq ft? Camden? Short Hills? Downtown Newark? You can figure $120 to $900 a square foot. Big state, lots of variables in labor cost. In NJ, look at www.reddiform.com |
"Camden? Short Hills? Downtown Newark? You can figure $120 to $900 a
square foot. Big state, lots of variables in labor cost. " Thanks for the useless reply, now go back to sleep, OK? |
wrote in message ups.com... "Camden? Short Hills? Downtown Newark? You can figure $120 to $900 a square foot. Big state, lots of variables in labor cost. " Thanks for the useless reply, now go back to sleep, OK? I'm wide away and have been. The reply is as accurate as your question. Be more specific and the answer can be more specific. I'm a bit familiar with housing cost in NJ and I stand by the accuracy of my answer. 'tis you the one that must wake up. The difference quoted are realistic between Fortescue and Fort Lee. |
"I'm wide away and have been. The reply is as accurate as your
question. Be more specific and the answer can be more specific. I'm a bit familiar with housing cost in NJ and I stand by the accuracy of my answer." OK, I was nice and gave you the benefit of the doubt by implying that you must have just gotten up. Since you're wide away (sic) then you must be a total moron to claim that construction costs in NJ can vary from $120 to $900 per square foot depending on location. Now just get lost so someone who knows something may reply. |
wrote in message oups.com... "I'm wide away and have been. The reply is as accurate as your question. Be more specific and the answer can be more specific. I'm a bit familiar with housing cost in NJ and I stand by the accuracy of my answer." OK, I was nice and gave you the benefit of the doubt by implying that you must have just gotten up. Since you're wide away (sic) then you must be a total moron to claim that construction costs in NJ can vary from $120 to $900 per square foot depending on location. Now just get lost so someone who knows something may reply. I think Edwin's reply is fairly accurate. I asked a builder last year how much should I figure per square foot if I was to build my own house. He told me that I should roughly figure $200.00 per, but there are many variables such as the quality of the kitchen and baths, multiple HVAC zones, choice of fixtures and appliances, etc. I suppose if you wanted to low bid everything and have minimum standards you might do better. It's not very nice to ridicule someone who is trying to help you. NJ is a hot real estate market right now. Condos, townhomes, and single family houses are selling at premium prices and builders are very busy. Even handyman specials are getting bought up at inflated prices. I got a call from an old friend of mine several weeks ago. She lives in Summit. Her neighbors sold their 2200 square foot ranch (On less than an acre) for one million dollars a few months ago just because of the location. You do the math. |
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message m... wrote in message ups.com... "Camden? Short Hills? Downtown Newark? You can figure $120 to $900 a square foot. Big state, lots of variables in labor cost. " Thanks for the useless reply, now go back to sleep, OK? I'm wide away and have been. The reply is as accurate as your question. Be more specific and the answer can be more specific. I'm a bit familiar with housing cost in NJ and I stand by the accuracy of my answer. 'tis you the one that must wake up. The difference quoted are realistic between Fortescue and Fort Lee. You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills? Forgetaboutit! Liz |
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"I think Edwin's reply is fairly accurate. I asked a builder last year
how much should I figure per square foot if I was to build my own house. He told me that I should roughly figure $200.00 per, but there are many variables such as the quality of the kitchen and baths, multiple HVAC zones, choice of fixtures and appliances, etc. " And if Edwin's reply was similar to what your builder told you, I wouldn't be ridiculing him. But it wasn't, was it? He said $120 to $900 because labor costs vary by location. Sure, I know there is going to be some variation, but nearly 8X is just plain crazy. There is no way in hell the same house built in two different areas of NJ on land you already own is going to vary that much. |
"You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills?
Forgetaboutit! " Then maybe you can explain why the same house built in Short Hills is going to cost 7 times what it would in Camden? Are materials 7X expensive? Labor? I know there is going to be some variation, but this $120 to $900 is just pure nonsense! |
wrote in message oups.com... "You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills? Forgetaboutit! " Then maybe you can explain why the same house built in Short Hills is going to cost 7 times what it would in Camden? Are materials 7X expensive? Labor? I know there is going to be some variation, but this $120 to $900 is just pure nonsense! You're obviously not familiar with the socio-economics involved in the state of NJ. It's too late at night for me to explain this to you. Perhaps you can do a Google search on crime/unemployment/average income of Camden versus Short Hills. I'm going to bed now. If you're still confused about this tomorrow I'll try to explain it to you. Liz |
wrote in message Then maybe you can explain why the same house built in Short Hills is going to cost 7 times what it would in Camden? Are materials 7X expensive? Labor? I know there is going to be some variation, but this $120 to $900 is just pure nonsense! Have you been to Short Hills? Your question is the part ridiculous. How big is a box? How much does a truck/car/airplane/boat cost? You've still not narrowed the area down or given an idea of what YOU think is a middle line quality of fixture. When you talk about the square footage you speak of, you are not going to find second rate fixtures, trim, etc. What if fitting for the town you are in? A friend of mine is building a house that size right now. It is about $400 a square foot. Meaningless number without some background. Ask the RIGHT question if you want an accurate answer. |
wrote in message oups.com... "You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills? Forgetaboutit! " Then maybe you can explain why the same house built in Short Hills is going to cost 7 times what it would in Camden? Are materials 7X expensive? Labor? I know there is going to be some variation, but this $120 to $900 is just pure nonsense! You just don't understand. If you build a house using the least expensive materials the house will cost less. Take the kitchen counter top. Use the plywood and laminate and it is only a few dollars a foot. Goto granite and the cost will go way up. Cheep carpet or lanolium or expensive carpet ? Bath room , tile , marbel, or other. Standard tub or custom built shower. I just had a shower installed and it was about $ 3000 for the materials. This is a small one about 3 feet each way. Mirrows on the wall was $ 100 at Lowes. Wife wanted some that cost about $ 300 each at a custom shop going on looks, then the shock hit her as she was going to put in two of them. Real wood panneling or some of the printed stuff. |
"Liz" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... "You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills? Forgetaboutit! " Then maybe you can explain why the same house built in Short Hills is going to cost 7 times what it would in Camden? Are materials 7X expensive? Labor? I know there is going to be some variation, but this $120 to $900 is just pure nonsense! You're obviously not familiar with the socio-economics involved in the state of NJ. It's too late at night for me to explain this to you. Perhaps you can do a Google search on crime/unemployment/average income of Camden versus Short Hills. I'm going to bed now. If you're still confused about this tomorrow I'll try to explain it to you. He's not talking about land - construction costs for the identical 3000 sf home are not going to vary by a factor of 7. What, the lumberyards that serve Short Hills are charging 15 bucks for a 2x4? People are paying 200 per hour for a framer? Short Bus sounds more like it. Granted, you can drop 100K or more on a kitchen alone - but the _identical_ upper/ mid home is not going to vary that much in construction costs. |
"You're obviously not familiar with the socio-economics involved in the
state of NJ. It's too late at night for me to explain this to you. Perhaps you can do a Google search on crime/unemployment/average income of Camden versus Short Hills. I'm going to bed now. If you're still confused about this tomorrow I'll try to explain it to you. " And socio-economics and crime rate of one location versus another in NJ has exactly what to do with the cost of the labor and materials to build the same house? Good idea to go to bed Liz so you stop embarrassing yourself here. The question I asked was for the CONSTRUCTION cost of builiding a house in NJ. Everyone knows that a two bedroom crappy house in a slum sells for a hell of a lot less than a 4 bedroom house on an acre. No need to explain that. What I'm waiting for is the explaination of how the construction cost for the same exact house built in two locations in NJ can vary by 7 to 8 times. LOL |
wrote in message OK, I was nice and gave you the benefit of the doubt by implying that you must have just gotten up. Since you're wide away (sic) then you must be a total moron to claim that construction costs in NJ can vary from $120 to $900 per square foot depending on location. Now just get lost so someone who knows something may reply. Oh my, you found a typo I made Congratulations, your prize is in the mail. No, I'm not going to get lost. |
"You just don't understand. If you build a house using the least
expensive materials the house will cost less. Take the kitchen counter top. Use the plywood and laminate and it is only a few dollars a foot. Goto granite and the cost will go way up. Cheep carpet or lanolium or expensive carpet ? " I don't understand? I understand perfectly. I made it pretty clear when I said: "Not looking for super premium outfitting, nor cheapest either, just avg for a nice 3000-3500 square foot house. Any estimates on how much per sq ft? " Did I say I want the least expensive? The most expensive? Any imbecile knows that construction costs can vary depending on what quality materials one wants. I'm looking for an average, middle of the road number for construction cost. Or a reasonable range, which certainly isn't $120 to $900 based on labor cost variations from one part of NJ to another. |
"He's not talking about land - construction costs for the identical
3000 sf home are not going to vary by a factor of 7. What, the lumberyards that serve Short Hills are charging 15 bucks for a 2x4? People are paying 200 per hour for a framer? Short Bus sounds more like it. Granted, you can drop 100K or more on a kitchen alone - but the _identical_ upper/ mid home is not going to vary that much in construction costs. " Thank you Ranieri! I was beginning to think I was the only sane one here! |
"Have you been to Short Hills? Your question is the part ridiculous.
How big is a box? How much does a truck/car/airplane/boat cost? " And how much vodka have you had to drink tonight Ed? You've still not narrowed the area down or given an idea of what YOU think is a middle line quality of fixture. When you talk about the square footage you speak of, you are not going to find second rate fixtures, trim, etc. " And what does that have to do with your assertion that the SAME exact house will have 7 to 8X construction cost variation depending on where it is located in NJ? "What if fitting for the town you are in? A friend of mine is building a house that size right now. It is about $400 a square foot. Meaningless number without some background. " And how much vodka have you had to drink tonight Ed? |
wrote in message And how much vodka have you had to drink tonight Ed? None. Prefer gin or bourbon. And what does that have to do with your assertion that the SAME exact house will have 7 to 8X construction cost variation depending on where it is located in NJ? Labor cost varies. Material cost varies. Ability to extract more from some customers over others varies. The $900 figure was an exaggeration, but not kowing other factors, it is not possible to give a fair estimate. Ask a dumb question, you get a dumb answer. When yo ask a smart question well . . . . you figure it out. "What if fitting for the town you are in? A friend of mine is building a house that size right now. It is about $400 a square foot. Meaningless number without some background. " And how much vodka have you had to drink tonight Ed? Yo just don't get it, probably never will. |
wrote in message And socio-economics and crime rate of one location versus another in NJ has exactly what to do with the cost of the labor and materials to build the same house? Oh my, you don't know much about building do you? There is a loss factor in the pricing. Guess how that factor is determined? OK class, our next lesson will be on pay scale and how it varies . |
"Oh my, you don't know much about building do you? There is a loss
factor in the pricing. Guess how that factor is determined? " Nice work Ed helping Liz dig herself out of her hole explaining the cost implications of socio-economics in Camden vs Short Hills. Let me get this straight. Since the crime rate is way higher in Camden, it will cost more to build the same house there, than it does in Short Hills right? Dooh! But that was the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove! "OK class, our next lesson will be on pay scale and how it varies ." No one is denying that pay scale varies or that it's a factor in construction costs. That's why it's very important to know the house of interest is in NJ, as opposed to Iowa. Sure there are even labor cost differences in NJ, but they aren't as wide as the labor cost differences between NJ and Iowa. And surely labor cost differences don't explain your assertion that there is a 7 to 8 times construction cost difference for building the exact same house in two locations in NJ. And BTW, labor cost differences don't explain construction cost differences between Camden and Short Hills either. That's because the unemployed, unskilled workers in Camden aren't the guys that are going to be doing most of the construction work there anyway. |
wrote in message oups.com... "Oh my, you don't know much about building do you? There is a loss factor in the pricing. Guess how that factor is determined? " Nice work Ed helping Liz dig herself out of her hole explaining the cost implications of socio-economics in Camden vs Short Hills. Let me get this straight. Since the crime rate is way higher in Camden, it will cost more to build the same house there, than it does in Short Hills right? Dooh! But that was the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove! That is just ONE factor. Labor rates and other factotrs do come into play. "OK class, our next lesson will be on pay scale and how it varies ." No one is denying that pay scale varies or that it's a factor in construction costs. That's why it's very important to know the house of interest is in NJ, as opposed to Iowa. Sure there are even labor cost differences in NJ, but they aren't as wide as the labor cost differences between NJ and Iowa. That has not been my experience. I've found great differences withing the state of NJ. And BTW, labor cost differences don't explain construction cost differences between Camden and Short Hills either. That's because the unemployed, unskilled workers in Camden aren't the guys that are going to be doing most of the construction work there anyway. Right, they bus them in from Short Hills. |
wrote in message oups.com... "builiding" a house in NJ. Everyone knows that a two bedroom crappy house in a slum sells for a hell of a lot less than a 4 bedroom house on an acre. No need to explain that. What I'm waiting for is the "explaination" Go to bed and get some rest. |
"That has not been my experience. I've found great differences withing
the state of NJ. " Yeah, differences of 7-8X for the same construction within NJ. LOL Why do you persist in embarrassing yourself? At least Liz had sense enough to go to bed after making an ass of herself. |
wrote in message ups.com... "That has not been my experience. I've found great differences withing the state of NJ. " Yeah, differences of 7-8X for the same construction within NJ. LOL Why do you persist in embarrassing yourself? At least Liz had sense enough to go to bed after making an ass of herself. Because I still love you! |
"Usmiech" wrote in message You are stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And he's rude too. I live in NJ and Ed is right. |
"Material and labor costs establish a minimum but not max...builders
charge as much as they can get, there is no max to profit. " Well duh! That's like saying a supermarket charges as much as they can for an orange. We all know that, but supply and demand put a limit on it and there is an average price for an orange in NJ isn't there? Or how about what's a TYPICAL price for getting middle of the road carpet installed in a square 300 ft room? Does that vary 7-8X too? Realtors regularly calculate the median and average price for a home and come up with a number, don't they? "It also depends much on what you want. Do you want Pella windows or mill finish aluminum? Insert fireplace or masonry? Square footprint with a simple roof or one that requires a chopped up roof? Wall to wall carpet or hardwood floor? Simple flat ceiling or all sorts of trays, etc.? MDF cabinets or hardwood? Et cetera. " Which is why I stated in the original question: "I know it will depend on a lot of things. Not looking for super premium outfitting, nor cheapest either, just avg for a nice 3000-3500 square foot house. Any estimates on how much per sq ft? " What I'm looking for is a middle of the road, typical house. Sure, we all know you can spend a lot more on upgrades. Let's say a house outfitted so that most people would consider it average costs $400K to build. Suppose I put an extra $100K into it in upgrades, which would make it well above average in terms of what's in it, at least for most people. That's an increase of 25%, not 7-8X like Ed asserted. "Seems to me that $120 - $900 is realistic for those reasons and because *where* something is being built has a huge effect on price. For example, my concrete block/stucco house has 5400' under roof, another 3000' open (courtyards, patios); Monier barrel tile roof; tile floors everywhere except one room which has 3/4" maple; large kitchen with custom made cabinets, all lowers with pull outs; custom made butternut interior doors. It sits on 10 acres of lakefront property which also has 35-40 large oaks and a pond." And if I built the same thing 10 miles away on a smaller lot without oak trees and a pond it could cost 7-8X more or less? Because? Where talking CONSTRUCTION cost here, not lot prices. So far, a few people apparently understood the question. And Vic provided an answer along the lines I was looking for, with his estimate of $150-180 per square foot. |
Nice Bonnie. Then maybe you'd care to explain to me how a 2X4 or a
sink can cost 7 to 8 times as much in one location in NJ than in another? Ever see that? Do wages vary 7 to 8X for carpenters and plumbers? Hmmm, now who's stupid? |
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Or how about what's a TYPICAL price for getting middle of the road carpet installed in a square 300 ft room? Does that vary 7-8X too? Sure could. Carpet or anything else. ____________ Realtors regularly calculate the median and average price for a home and come up with a number, don't they? For a particular house, no. For houses in general, yeah...based on previous sales which are based on what people were willing to pay. _________________ "It also depends much on what you want. Do you want Pella windows or mill finish aluminum? Insert fireplace or masonry? Square footprint with a simple roof or one that requires a chopped up roof? Wall to wall carpet or hardwood floor? Simple flat ceiling or all sorts of trays, etc.? MDF cabinets or hardwood? Et cetera. " Which is why I stated in the original question: "I know it will depend on a lot of things. Not looking for super premium outfitting, nor cheapest either, just avg for a nice 3000-3500 square foot house. Any estimates on how much per sq ft? " The point is that what is premium for one person may well be cheapo for another. And vice versa. _________________ And if I built the same thing 10 miles away on a smaller lot without oak trees and a pond it could cost 7-8X more or less? Because? Where talking CONSTRUCTION cost here, not lot prices. So was I. I've seen lots of places where a house built in an upscale neighborhood was priced way more - several times - than a similar house in a less desirable neighborhood. *After* factoring in the difference in cost of the lot. The point was that *where* makes a huge differenced in "average cost". I built a house here in Florida for $27 sq.ft. Doubt I could in New Jersey. By the same token, I'm reasonably sure there are areas in NJ between which the "costs" vary widely too. Note the quotes around "costs". _______________ So far, a few people apparently understood the question. And Vic provided an answer along the lines I was looking for, with his estimate of $150-180 per square foot. So plan on that and be surprised...either pleasantly or unpleasantly. Your question was easily understood but the fact is that until you have a set of plans and talk to some contractors it isn't easily answerable. You could probably build a comparable place yourself for 2/3 - 1/2...if you are willing to pull your own permits and hire your own subs. If you want to get a truer idea of *actual* costs, look up the asking prices of some new houses, then check the valuation on the building permits for same. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Listen, many MANY contractors charge for what the market can bear. you
go into an expensive neighborhood and the charge you more. Contractors do this all the time. Especially now a days when good contractors (let alone ethical ones) are in demand. Material wise depending on the distance from the vendor can cost you a bit more here and there. But the statement that others were saying that a house in a crappy area is cheaper then a home is a good neighborhood is true. (this is exluding land costs) The northeast isnt the same other parts in the nation. Personally I would guesstimate between 200 - 400 per foot. This is really dependent on what options (as others have stated) that you are going to have. (have you even considered that styles of houses like ranches vs. capes. vs ????? may cost more or less???) Want a basement too???? Finding a contractor local to the area might really be the best start. People on here can give opinions, but a rough estimate from one will really put things into perspective. If the land is already purchased then a good architect (hell thats about 2000.00) will draw up the home and get the permits you need for the local area. From there you can get estimates. If you have the time and desire, you can play general contractor and sub it all out. That'll save a ton of money. Tom |
My, my, don't we become testy about what is an acceptable answer?
If you've such rigid bounds, why not say something like: "If you tell me less than x or more than y except for specific counties/architects/builders, I'll call you an idiot."? You'd do well to listen more. Or let someone else be your friend's hero. TTFN, J |
"Personally I would guesstimate between 200 - 400 per foot."
I wasn't looking for guesses. I was looking for someone that has relevant experience. Like a builder, someone in construction, or someone who recently built a house. "If the land is already purchased then a good architect (hell thats about 2000.00) will draw up the home and get the permits you need for the local area." Yeah and that shows that you really don't know what you're talking about. $2K for a good architect? LOL, you couldn't even find a bad one to plans for a house for that amount. If you don't know anything, then why respond at all? |
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Maybe you will have better luck in news:alt.building.construction ?
Thanks Bill, I'll try there! |
"If you tell me less than x or more than y except for specific
counties/architects/builders, I'll call you an idiot."? You'd do well to listen more." Sorry I have no time for morons that give answers when they have no clue. The question I asked is straightforward. At least one person gave a response that seems realistic. So, yeah I'm gonna get testy when idiots give reply's like: "Camden? Short Hills? Downtown Newark? You can figure $120 to $900 a square foot. Big state, lots of variables in labor cost." Sure, I know there is a range and that it will cost somewhat more to build the same exact house in one part of NJ as compared to another. But sorry, 7 to 8X is just plain stupid Or these gems from another poster saying a 7 to 8X cost differential for construction cost is reasonable. "You're absolutely right. Camden I could afford...Short Hills? Forgetaboutit! You're obviously not familiar with the socio-economics involved in the state of NJ. It's too late at night for me to explain this to you. Perhaps you can do a Google search on crime/unemployment/average income of Camden versus Short Hills. I'm going to bed now. If you're still confused about this tomorrow I'll try to explain it to you. " I suppose I should just thank her for her valuable insight and helping me out. LOL What I'm looking for, someone who really knows, could tell me easily. A builder for example could give this info in a flash. So, sorry, but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to rubbish. |
Not to get involved in the ****ing match, but I agree this is vague and
the resulting answers would be a guess (at best). Google past posts, most inquiries asking for cost per sqr foot building/renovating, and most end up this way. A better post would be to ask if anyone has build in these areas, what was the cost per sqr foot, and type of building did you get. kubie |
Wow, what an asshole. First you question how much something costs
in that area and you dont know.... Then you question what a house will cost to draw up and dispute that. WTF. I can only tell you numbers based on what I have gone through. So if you dont like it, tough ****. You want to get a custom designer to draw up a victorian with 10 peaks and all other amenties then guess what **** goes higher. I have a basic ranch. I guess for a tradesman an easy job. Now as for the attitude, people who are local to the area gave you info you dont like. People in the region like myself you dont like that info either. Oh well stop being a baby and dont ask for help. All you probably want to hear it going to cost 25.00 a foot and will cost 20000 for the plans. Have a crappy day. |
And PS....
No constractor will ever just give you a number (if they do its going to be outragiously high to cover themselves) You dont even realize that they type of land that they build on not to mention the type of home contributes to the cost of the home. GO CALL A CONRACTOR AND GET LAUGHED AT, just like I am doing right now at you. |
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