What is the function of pre-stain? What happens if I don't use it?

What is the pro/cons of oil based versus water based stain?

Are there products that combine pre-stain, stain, and a clear coat
(polyurethane) in one? It seems a lot of hassle just to stain about 20 feet
of moldings.

Pine , Birch and some other woods need pre stain or the stain can be
blotchy. Oak does not need pre stain. There are some poly and stain
which work well, but you may need to experiment to know.

"peter" wrote in message
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What is the function of pre-stain? What happens if I don't use it?

What is the pro/cons of oil based versus water based stain?

Are there products that combine pre-stain, stain, and a clear coat
(polyurethane) in one? It seems a lot of hassle just to stain about 20
feet
of moldings.



certain types of wood - esp. maple and birch can stain sort of 'muddy' -
prestaining can help with that.

water based stains will raise the grain - requiring sanding prior to
finishing.

yes, they make combined stain / poly products. I think they produce a
smeary, muddy finish, though.

"peter" wrote in message
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What is the function of pre-stain? What happens if I don't use it?

It helps with the appearance on some woods. Mostly needed for softer woods
like pine, the grain looks better with more depth to it. try a pice and see
how it looks. Mineral spirits work just as well. Rub one on a piece and
then put hte stain on some trated, some not. Make your decsion. Takes but
a few minutes to apply it.


What is the pro/cons of oil based versus water based stain?

Water tends to not darken the wood as much as oil. Water has less odor.
Water will raise the grain and more sanding is needed. Sme look better with
the richness of the oil, other look OK with the water. Personal preference.


Are there products that combine pre-stain, stain, and a clear coat
(polyurethane) in one? It seems a lot of hassle just to stain about 20
feet of moldings.

I like the control of using separate finishes. To me, it is not a hassle to
have the appearance I want and will be looking at for years. If you'd
rather save 20 minutes today, that is your choice.

We just stained some baseboards (Maple), and it's my understanding that the
conditioner (I assume that is what you mean by prestain) is used for softer
wood to open the pores (at least that is what the can said). It's pretty
easy to do--just use a sponge or rag to apply, and wait 5-15 minutes to
apply the stain.

Regarding the stain, we used a stain/polyurethane all-in-one we purchased at
HD.
"peter" wrote in message
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What is the function of pre-stain? What happens if I don't use it?

What is the pro/cons of oil based versus water based stain?

Are there products that combine pre-stain, stain, and a clear coat
(polyurethane) in one? It seems a lot of hassle just to stain about 20
feet of moldings.

Several woods have very wild grain where end grain adjoins long grain
and they don't accept stain the same resulting in blotchy appearance.
A prestain, or conditioner, fills the pores of the end grain slowing
down the absorbsion of the stain resulting in a more uniform
appearance.

Oil based stuff has more odors and is slower drying. Typically oil
based tends to amber the wood while some water based are considered
"water white" meaning non-ambering.

Not that I'm aware of.

On Tue, 24 May 2005 17:51:48 GMT, "peter" wrote:

What is the function of pre-stain? What happens if I don't use it?

What is the pro/cons of oil based versus water based stain?

Are there products that combine pre-stain, stain, and a clear coat
(polyurethane) in one? It seems a lot of hassle just to stain about 20 feet
of moldings.