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must buy rental or move out...
I moved into an apt in July only to realize the next month the complex was
sold to sell off the individual properties. I'm torn between having to purchase the place or move out next July. I'm considering the purchase but I'm wondering if there's any guidelines to follow such as what I should have as a down payment ( I really have nothing because I started my first job last month), how much the property is worth, how much I should pay for the mortgage and taxes. I want to see if I can afford it and if its worth it. Does anyone know of any links for information for first home buyers? thank you! |
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In article ZiOYc.62726$yh.54749@fed1read05, Matt Warnock
wrote: I moved into an apt in July only to realize the next month the complex was sold to sell off the individual properties. I'm torn between having to purchase the place or move out next July. I'm considering the purchase but I'm wondering if there's any guidelines to follow such as what I should have as a down payment ( I really have nothing because I started my first job last month), how much the property is worth, how much I should pay for the mortgage and taxes. I want to see if I can afford it and if its worth it. Does anyone know of any links for information for first home buyers? thank you! What are the details? How much do they want? When do they need to know? What is your FICO score? How much is rent for a similar place in your area? -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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my rent is $1200/m + $59 for the parking space. its a 1 bedroom w/ 925 sq
feet of living space. I'm going down to find out what they want for it and the rest of the details. I was hoping to find out any questions I might need to ask them for the meeting and post the details tomorrow. according to the quick online calculator, my FICO score is estimated to be 735 to 785. The rent on my place is pretty average for the size and quality of the apt. I'll post more info tomorrow, but are their any questions I should have ready besides, how much for the place, how much per year, and what comes w/ it (there's a washer/dryer and fridge/dishwasher here) thanks! -Matt "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article ZiOYc.62726$yh.54749@fed1read05, Matt Warnock wrote: I moved into an apt in July only to realize the next month the complex was sold to sell off the individual properties. I'm torn between having to purchase the place or move out next July. I'm considering the purchase but I'm wondering if there's any guidelines to follow such as what I should have as a down payment ( I really have nothing because I started my first job last month), how much the property is worth, how much I should pay for the mortgage and taxes. I want to see if I can afford it and if its worth it. Does anyone know of any links for information for first home buyers? thank you! What are the details? How much do they want? When do they need to know? What is your FICO score? How much is rent for a similar place in your area? -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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In article bhPYc.62742$yh.40683@fed1read05, Matt Warnock
wrote: my rent is $1200/m + $59 for the parking space. its a 1 bedroom w/ 925 sq feet of living space. A quick rule of thumb is that the rent on a place should be 1% to 1.5% of the sales price. Working backwards, that means that if the price is less than $90,000 to $120,000, it is a pretty good deal. If it is over that amount, you can likely do better renting. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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"Matt Warnock" wrote in message
news:ZiOYc.62726$yh.54749@fed1read05... I moved into an apt in July only to realize the next month the complex was sold to sell off the individual properties. I'm torn between having to purchase the place or move out next July. I'm considering the purchase but I'm wondering if there's any guidelines to follow such as what I should have as a down payment ( I really have nothing because I started my first job last month), how much the property is worth, how much I should pay for the mortgage and taxes. I want to see if I can afford it and if its worth it. Does anyone know of any links for information for first home buyers? thank you! If you decide to buy, you could explore some other options besides your present rental unit that is being converted. Look around at some other condos in other buildings and compare their prices with what is being asked for the one in which you are living. |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:05:31 -0400, someone wrote:
my rent is $1200/m + $59 for the parking space. Never mind that, do you want to buy (ANY PLACE) or not? You didn't start out to buy, you started out to rent. Why do you want to buy now? That they are selling is not a good reason. You've only been there a few months, not likely that you are emotionally attached to your unit that quickly, so that you "have to" buy it. When you began to rent, did you plan on staying there more than 5 years? If you bought, would you now be satisfied with it for that period or more? If you do want to buy something, the 1st thing to do is look around at what other sellers are charging to purchase similar units. Never mind rule of thumb, you need to get specific. If a rule of thumb says your unit "should" sell for $100k but others are selling for $90k then yours is no bargain no matter what the rule of thumb says. On advantage to buying in place, is that the sponsor will often offer you a discount as he avoids having to remove you, fix up & clean up the unit, and then having a period of vacancy and no income until he eventually sells it. Thus the "insider" price is often less than the "outsider" price. But your main Q is, do you want to buy at all? -v. |
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"v" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:05:31 -0400, someone wrote: my rent is $1200/m + $59 for the parking space. Never mind that, do you want to buy (ANY PLACE) or not? You didn't start out to buy, you started out to rent. Why do you want to buy now? That they are selling is not a good reason. You've only been there a few months, not likely that you are emotionally attached to your unit that quickly, so that you "have to" buy it. When you began to rent, did you plan on staying there more than 5 years? If you bought, would you now be satisfied with it for that period or more? If you do want to buy something, the 1st thing to do is look around at what other sellers are charging to purchase similar units. Never mind rule of thumb, you need to get specific. If a rule of thumb says your unit "should" sell for $100k but others are selling for $90k then yours is no bargain no matter what the rule of thumb says. On advantage to buying in place, is that the sponsor will often offer you a discount as he avoids having to remove you, fix up & clean up the unit, and then having a period of vacancy and no income until he eventually sells it. Thus the "insider" price is often less than the "outsider" price. But your main Q is, do you want to buy at all? -v. I ultimately want to purchase a home. I feel rent money goes nowhere, where if you pay a mortgage, no matter how much, it does go somewhere. At the meeting tonight, they did not give us a price. it will be presented later, but they say it will be between $215k and $250k for 1 bedroom apts, and mine is the largest of all the 1br apts. I plan to live here for about 2 years, at the point I would have spent over $30k in rent, or about $40k in mortgage payments, if I do the math right. Also, if you use 1 of their 2 provided lenders (but you can choose any), you get a $3k credit towards closing costs and a 1/2% discount on the rate. That sounds like a good deal, but I was hoping to pay $180k for this place, not $250k. It seems high for the area, but I'm new to the area and purchasing housing. Any ideas or suggestions for me to look at or ask at my meeting? |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Matt Warnock wrote:
I ultimately want to purchase a home. I feel rent money goes nowhere, where if you pay a mortgage, no matter how much, it does go somewhere. At the meeting tonight, they did not give us a price. it will be presented later, but they say it will be between $215k and $250k for 1 bedroom apts, and mine is the largest of all the 1br apts. I plan to live here for about 2 years, at the point I would have spent over $30k in rent, or about $40k in mortgage payments, if I do the math right. Also, if you use 1 of their 2 provided lenders (but you can choose any), you get a $3k credit towards closing costs and a 1/2% discount on the rate. That sounds like a good deal, but I was hoping to pay $180k for this place, not $250k. It seems high for the area, but I'm new to the area and purchasing housing. Any ideas or suggestions for me to look at or ask at my meeting? Matt, sounds like a bit of legal blackmail going on by your present landlord. Even though they claim you will get a break on closing costs and interest rate, I don't think you should buy anywhere unless you plan on staying there for at least 5 years. At least, this is the general rule of thumb given by money people like Clark Howard on syndicated radio (great website at www.clarkhoward.com) and Suze Orman in her newpaper columns. Otherwise, not only would you probably lose with all the closing costs involved but I'm guessing you'd have a hard time reselling and recouping anything near to what you would pay for this place. I got nosy and looked at your website (go Nittany Lions!) and see you are a recent college graduate. At this point in your life, I don't think you need this kind of debt hanging over your head and suggest it would be a lot better to just keep renting while saving for a house with which you have spent a lot of time researching and comparing with other houses. I've had to learn the hard way never to be in a hurry to buy big ticket items like cars, houses, etc. I'm not sophisticated enough to go through the detailed calculations to prove this but I just take their (Clark's and Suze's) words on not being able to recoup closing costs and sales price on a primary residence unless you live there for at least 5 years (generally speaking with some few exceptions ). Bob |
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In misc.consumers.house Matt Warnock wrote:
I plan to live here for about 2 years, at the point I would have spent over $30k in rent, or about $40k in mortgage payments, if I do the math right. Also, if you use 1 of their 2 provided lenders (but you can choose any), you get a $3k credit towards closing costs and a 1/2% discount on the rate. That sounds like a good deal, but I was hoping to pay $180k for this place, not $250k. It seems high for the area, but I'm new to the area and purchasing housing. if you plan to stay only 2 years, it's very hard to imagine that buying will be the financially right move, even if the price is exactly market price. $3k off closing costs? That should give you a hint that you need to add in some closing costs to your estimate of total costs. Don't forget comission when you sell the unit in 2 years. And upkeep. And taxes, and insurance, and probably condo fees (I don't remember if you said what type of home this is) or homeowner assn fees. And, if applicable to your purchase and your habits, the oportunity cost of putting up a down payment. listen to what everyone has to say, but....that 2 year window makes it darned hard to work up a scenario where buying is a better choice financially than renting - if you can find a similarly priced rental you'd be happy with. |
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In article qI7Zc.27599$nk.27168@okepread05, Matt Warnock
wrote: At the meeting tonight, they did not give us a price. it will be presented later, but they say it will be between $215k and $250k for 1 bedroom apts, and mine is the largest of all the 1br apts. Red alert! Battle stations! Raise shields Mr Worf. This is WTDM (way too damned much). A one bedroom converted from an apartement building should be in the range of $40K to $75K, maybe up to double that if it is in a really good building in a very good neighborhood. What they are doing is using FUD to get you to pay 3 times the going rate. FUD is fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They will tell you that you have to buy, that you will get put out on the streets if you don't, and that it is hard to find anything else, so be very fearful. Find somewhere else to rent, and if you really want a condo, go find a realtor to help you get something that is more in line with the market. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message
... In article qI7Zc.27599$nk.27168@okepread05, Matt Warnock wrote: At the meeting tonight, they did not give us a price. it will be presented later, but they say it will be between $215k and $250k for 1 bedroom apts, and mine is the largest of all the 1br apts. Red alert! Battle stations! Raise shields Mr Worf. This is WTDM (way too damned much). A one bedroom converted from an apartement building should be in the range of $40K to $75K, maybe up to double that if it is in a really good building in a very good neighborhood. What they are doing is using FUD to get you to pay 3 times the going rate. FUD is fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They will tell you that you have to buy, that you will get put out on the streets if you don't, and that it is hard to find anything else, so be very fearful. Find somewhere else to rent, and if you really want a condo, go find a realtor to help you get something that is more in line with the market. Nothing goes for that cheap around here. Small 2-3 bedroom homes on a 1/4 acre of land go for 1/2 mil. Compared to apts the same size on this street sell for the same price. I will definitely take all this into considering. thank you for the advice! |
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Matt Warnock wrote:
Nothing goes for that cheap around here. Small 2-3 bedroom homes on a 1/4 acre of land go for 1/2 mil. Compared to apts the same size on this street sell for the same price. Comparable properties - that's the way to go. If you can really judge them to be comparable and they've _sold_ for similar prices, then you've figured out what the market price is. If you're inexperienced and/or unsure, and you can find an independent appraiser that you trust, a couple of hundred dollars for an appraisal can buy a lot of peace of mind. I agree with previous posters - if you include the real estate commission when you sell, it will be very difficult to come out ahead in 2 years. - Bryan |
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"Bryan" wrote in message ...
Matt Warnock wrote: Nothing goes for that cheap around here. Small 2-3 bedroom homes on a 1/4 acre of land go for 1/2 mil. Compared to apts the same size on this street sell for the same price. Comparable properties - that's the way to go. If you can really judge them to be comparable and they've _sold_ for similar prices, then you've figured out what the market price is. If you're inexperienced and/or unsure, and you can find an independent appraiser that you trust, a couple of hundred dollars for an appraisal can buy a lot of peace of mind. I agree with previous posters - if you include the real estate commission when you sell, it will be very difficult to come out ahead in 2 years. I definitely agree that it's questionable how I will end up in a few years. Maybe I'm the new guy and I don't understand a lot of things, but I read the advice on here, I've heard the same advice to people on the different money shows on cable, etc, but I have two options: If I rent for 2 years I spend: 24 x $1259 = $30216 and I have nothing at the end, no debt, no property, no advancement in my credit. Or I can purchase a house and keep it for the same 2 years lets say I spend $1500/month on the mortgage (I might be off,but bear with me) 24 x $1500 = $36000 $250,000 - $35,000(less interest) = 215,000 figure in taxes, some repairs, etc. I'm not sure exactly what this will be, but I'm fully aware of it. lets say I sell the apt in 2 years for the same as I bought it for, or God forbid, less, aren't I still ahead? because I can get back what I put into it, with the possibility of losing some, or even gaining some at the rate that real estate is increasing in this area. And real estate is so out of hand here, that it could easily go up, considerably. Plus my credit looks better if I pay my mortgage on time each month. Basically I'm in a point in my life where I'm making more money than I need. I don't have car payments, student loans or credit card debt. I don't have kids or a wife to spend money on. Does this affect anything? By the way, I live in Falls Church, Va just outside of DC. That is why real estate is so high. Thank for EVERYONE's advice! I hope I'm not too burdensome. -Matt |
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In article 7dbZc.28479$nk.10324@okepread05, Matt Warnock
wrote: If I rent for 2 years I spend: 24 x $1259 = $30216 and I have nothing at the end, no debt, no property, no advancement in my credit. More important is what you do not have. You are not locked in for another 28 years of mortage payments. You also do not have more commons fees, or responsibilities for accessements or repairs. Who knows what might happen if you buy. They could determine that the building roof is bad, the windows are rotten, and the city needs to tear up the street. You could easily get slapped with a number of one-time accessments that would run into the thousands. About that time, the water heater would break, and the refridgerator goes toes up. Or I can purchase a house and keep it for the same 2 years lets say I spend $1500/month on the mortgage (I might be off,but bear with me) 24 x $1500 = $36000 $250,000 - $35,000(less interest) = 215,000 figure in taxes, some repairs, etc. I'm not sure exactly what this will be, but I'm fully aware of it. Lets figure out what you would really have. In that equation of 24 x $1500, most of the $1500 in interst. In fact, I'd be surprised if you were paying more than $90 a month in principal. I can run the numbers, but lets use $100. That gives you: 24 x $100 = $2400. No real estate deal is worth doing when the upside is only $2400, and the downside is virtually unlimited. That $2400 will not even cover closing costs, let along realtor fees when it comes time to sell. Basically I'm in a point in my life where I'm making more money than I need. I don't have car payments, student loans or credit card debt. I don't have kids or a wife to spend money on. Does this affect anything? Well, that means that you should be saving a big chunk of your income for retirement, and putting away what you can for the future. This is the one time in your life when you don't have a wife and kids with infinite wants, and you have a future for the time part of the time value of money to work in your favor. By the way, I live in Falls Church, Va just outside of DC. That is why real estate is so high. I looked at townhouses just a little further out on I-66 a while back. I had no problem finding 2-bed 2-bath with a garage in the $150K range. The job that I was looking at didn't come through, so I ended up not buying. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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John A Weeks, writes:
In article qI7Zc.27599$nk.27168@okepread05, Matt Warnock wrote: At the meeting tonight, they did not give us a price. it will be presented later, but they say it will be between $215k and $250k for 1 bedroom apts, and mine is the largest of all the 1br apts. Red alert! Battle stations! Raise shields Mr Worf. This is WTDM (way too damned much). A one bedroom converted from an apartement building should be in the range of $40K to $75K, maybe up to double that if it is in a really good building in a very good neighborhood. Boy, I can tell you live in Minnesota... |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:19:31 -0400, someone wrote:
If I rent for 2 years I spend: 24 x $1259 = $30216 Or I can purchase a house and keep it for the same 2 years 24 x $1500 = $36000 Remember, rent includes "everything" - the property taxes, insurance on the structure, and the upkeep & maintenance. OK so if you buy, for the 2 years, you will spend $36k in interest, $12,000 in property tax, $1,000 in structure insurance, and an unknown amount in common charges, plus whatever specific repairs are needed in your unit, leat's say common of $150/mo until we get a better figure, that's $3,600 plus some individual repairs = $4,000. You have now spent $53k vs. $30k, before closing costs before sales commissions, a difference of close to $1,000/mo. Now, if you were to rent for $1259/mo, and payroll deduct $1,000/mo into a 401k or even just a regular taxable acount, well at the end of 2 years you'd have $24k in your account if it performed at zero gain, and most people would expect for some amount of investment gain. To give you the same $24k in your pocket plus cover the sales costs, your condo would have to go up by a lot. Not impossible, but you'd be depending on a big real estate gain to just be even with a poor stock market return. OTOH you could get lucky and buy the 'right' stock and it could skyrocket, and opportunity you would not have if all your $ were going to your house payment. I bought my 1st real estate at age 22 or 23, but it was a clearly speculative play, not buying retail from a sponsor. -v. |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:48 GMT, someone wrote:
Hey - how many months is it on your existing lease? So you don't "have to" leave for at least another 9 mos or so, right? And in many states (don't know about yours) there are greater legal protections for tenants in a "conversion", how soon can they get atually you out? Anyway, NO WAY do you have to buy "now", even if you do decide to buy. And before you jump at that 1/2 point "off", see what other lenders charge in the first place. And before you jump at that "credit" for closing costs, see what costs others are charging. NEVER go by the amount "off", go by the amount you pay, who is it that is saying that the original amount (before the "off") was the "right" amoiunt, anyway. -v. |
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"v" wrote in message
... On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:48 GMT, someone wrote: Hey - how many months is it on your existing lease? So you don't "have to" leave for at least another 9 mos or so, right? And in many states (don't know about yours) there are greater legal protections for tenants in a "conversion", how soon can they get atually you out? Anyway, NO WAY do you have to buy "now", even if you do decide to buy. And before you jump at that 1/2 point "off", see what other lenders charge in the first place. And before you jump at that "credit" for closing costs, see what costs others are charging. NEVER go by the amount "off", go by the amount you pay, who is it that is saying that the original amount (before the "off") was the "right" amoiunt, anyway. I think I'm deciding against purchasing, thanks to the incite provided here, but it has opened my eyes to purchasing. I have 10 months left on my lease. Of course they are not kicking me out until then, but the "discounts" they are providing are only for 60 days. One person brought up a good point: what if they sell at $250k to the residents that want to buy, then they can't sell to the public for 5% more. The 5% discount they gave us doesn't look so great if they have to lower the price to sell them. They would not comment on giving us a refund, but only said they don't anticipate that happening! 2 things to add to the mix. I talked to some people at work. They are strongly recommending me buy it because real estate is so high down here and its increasing. Over the past 5 years, in one guy's town, ON PAPER, the actually sales, showed an increase of an average of 10% a year. That's pretty substantial. Someone else said they were in the same situation but chose not to purchase and some of the people that did were able to sell their apts for $20k more only a year later. I'm still going to meet with them, but I think I'm going to pass and save my money. Maybe in July when I have some money saved and can look for a cheaper, more appropriate place that I would like to stay in for several years, I will. thanks for the input everyone! |
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In article K6rZc.29831$nk.18942@okepread05,
Matt Warnock wrote: 2 things to add to the mix. I talked to some people at work. They are strongly recommending me buy it because real estate is so high down here and its increasing. Over the past 5 years, in one guy's town, ON PAPER, the actually sales, showed an increase of an average of 10% a year. That's pretty substantial. Someone else said they were in the same situation but chose not to purchase and some of the people that did were able to sell their apts for $20k more only a year later. In my area of California it has been much more than 10% per year. So what? Past performance doesn't indicate future results. If anything, real estate is starting to slow. You might be able to buy the same place cheaper in 10 months if you really want to buy it. That is the question you should be asking: "Do I want to own this place?" If you want to own it then buy it. If just want to own something then I wouldn't buy it. Personally, I am familiar with Northern Virginia and the price seems high to me. 1 bedroom apartments, even in Manhattan, don't exactly have the highest demand. What happens if you get married and have a kid? Will you be able to sell it? If not, will you be able to rent it for the ~$1500 it is costing you? I'd buy it if it was, say, a 2 bedroom condo in Georgetown but that's not the situation. Dimitri |
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"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ...
In article qI7Zc.27599$nk.27168@okepread05, Matt Warnock wrote: Red alert! Battle stations! Raise shields Mr Worf. This is WTDM (way too damned much). A one bedroom converted from an apartement building should be in the range of $40K to $75K, What part of the country is this in?????? That might be true in Arkansas, but not in California. See www.realtor.com to check condo prices in your area. Figure the cost/square foot for the various offerings vs. your own situation, with more adjustments for location, condo complex quality, and individual unit features. John Reece |
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In article , John Reece
wrote: "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article qI7Zc.27599$nk.27168@okepread05, Matt Warnock wrote: Red alert! Battle stations! Raise shields Mr Worf. This is WTDM (way too damned much). A one bedroom converted from an apartement building should be in the range of $40K to $75K, What part of the country is this in?????? That might be true in Arkansas, but not in California. In downtown St. Paul, Minnesota, part of the 15th largest metro area in the US and near the 10th largest airport in the world, there is a top shelf building recently converted from an Embassy Suites into condos. You can pick up a 1 bedroom condo with all new kitchen for right around $80K. Higher floors are a bit more, lower floors are a bit less. This price includes a deeded indoor heated parking spot. Deals can be found if you are willing to look around a bit. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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