1966 ranch house in Denver Metro, Colorado. (I am not the original
owner.)
The attached garage does have a firewall (5/8 drywall) that separates
it from the house.
Two issues:

1. About 8-9 ft above garage floor is a hatch in the firewall; the
hatch allows access from the garage to the attic above the house.

See http://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabub...39865428189714

The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?

2. The firewall/drywall doesn't go all the way down to the garage
floor. Rather, it ends about 3 inches above the garage floor.

See http://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabub...40119956909026

Also, the drywall protrudes by about 3-4 inches from the wall on which
it is mounted - you can see how the bottom edge of the drywall is a
few inches away from the bottom concrete part of the wall. The space
behind the drywall is hollow (some 2-by-4s, I guess), so I would like
to seal off the bottom in order to create a fireproof seal, but also
to prevent moisture/insect/debris intrusion. But that area is a bit
awkward to work around.

My question: what is the best way to seal off that space? Can I use
the expanding foam sealant that somes in an aerosol can?

Thanks
Bubba

On Oct 26, 6:24*pm, Bubba Bubbs wrote:
1966 ranch house in Denver Metro, Colorado. (I am not the original
owner.)
The attached garage does have a firewall (5/8 drywall) that separates
it from the house.
Two issues:

1. About 8-9 ft above garage floor is a hatch in the firewall; the
hatch allows access from the garage to the attic above the house.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539703986542....

The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. *Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? *Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?

2. The firewall/drywall doesn't go all the way down to the garage
floor. Rather, it ends about 3 inches above the garage floor.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539704011995....

Also, the drywall protrudes by about 3-4 inches from the wall on which
it is mounted - you can see how the bottom edge of the drywall is a
few inches away from the bottom concrete part of the wall. The space
behind the drywall is hollow (some 2-by-4s, I guess), so I would like
to seal off the bottom in order to create a fireproof seal, but also
to prevent moisture/insect/debris intrusion. But that area is a bit
awkward to work around.

My question: what is the best way to seal off that space? Can I use
the expanding foam sealant that somes in an aerosol can?

Thanks
Bubba

Can't comment on legality of what you are proposing, but the expanding
foam to seal the lower edge seems reasonable, but you will have to
have something to keep the foam up in the wall and not falling down
onto the garage floor while it is setting. Isn't there any insulation
nbetween the garage wall and the inside of the house presumably that
is what is on the other side of the wall? I would not use the
extremely expandng foam on the outside chance that it would expand so
much that it would blow out the wall, either into the garage or into
the inside room.

hr(bob) wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:24 pm, Bubba Bubbs wrote:
1966 ranch house in Denver Metro, Colorado. (I am not the original
owner.)
The attached garage does have a firewall (5/8 drywall) that separates
it from the house.
Two issues:

1. About 8-9 ft above garage floor is a hatch in the firewall; the
hatch allows access from the garage to the attic above the house.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539703986542...

The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?

2. The firewall/drywall doesn't go all the way down to the garage
floor. Rather, it ends about 3 inches above the garage floor.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539704011995...

Also, the drywall protrudes by about 3-4 inches from the wall on which
it is mounted - you can see how the bottom edge of the drywall is a
few inches away from the bottom concrete part of the wall. The space
behind the drywall is hollow (some 2-by-4s, I guess), so I would like
to seal off the bottom in order to create a fireproof seal, but also
to prevent moisture/insect/debris intrusion. But that area is a bit
awkward to work around.

My question: what is the best way to seal off that space? Can I use
the expanding foam sealant that somes in an aerosol can?

Thanks
Bubba

Can't comment on legality of what you are proposing, but the expanding
foam to seal the lower edge seems reasonable, but you will have to
have something to keep the foam up in the wall and not falling down
onto the garage floor while it is setting. Isn't there any insulation
nbetween the garage wall and the inside of the house presumably that
is what is on the other side of the wall? I would not use the
extremely expandng foam on the outside chance that it would expand so
much that it would blow out the wall, either into the garage or into
the inside room.

At work, they seal penetrations through firewalls with fire-stop caulk.
Sorta rubbery when dry, and red. For OP- I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep
over it- even if firewall is all the way up to roof deck, once the
roofing material lights off over garage, whole roof is gonna burn
anyway. I'd just get a panel of the 5/8 firestop rock larger than the
hole by a foot in every direction, and screw it over the hole and forget
it. That way, if you ever need access, it is still there, but you have
the tighter fire break you wanted. You can even trim out the outside
edge of this overlay panel with u-channel of a tight fit, if you want it
to look pretty.

--
aem sends...

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:44:03 -0400, aemeijers wrote:

hr(bob) wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:24 pm, Bubba Bubbs wrote:
1966 ranch house in Denver Metro, Colorado. (I am not the original
owner.)
The attached garage does have a firewall (5/8 drywall) that separates
it from the house.
Two issues:

1. About 8-9 ft above garage floor is a hatch in the firewall; the
hatch allows access from the garage to the attic above the house.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539703986542...

The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?

2. The firewall/drywall doesn't go all the way down to the garage
floor. Rather, it ends about 3 inches above the garage floor.

Seehttp://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabubbs/20091025_firewall#539704011995...

Also, the drywall protrudes by about 3-4 inches from the wall on which
it is mounted - you can see how the bottom edge of the drywall is a
few inches away from the bottom concrete part of the wall. The space
behind the drywall is hollow (some 2-by-4s, I guess), so I would like
to seal off the bottom in order to create a fireproof seal, but also
to prevent moisture/insect/debris intrusion. But that area is a bit
awkward to work around.

My question: what is the best way to seal off that space? Can I use
the expanding foam sealant that somes in an aerosol can?

Thanks
Bubba

Can't comment on legality of what you are proposing, but the expanding
foam to seal the lower edge seems reasonable, but you will have to
have something to keep the foam up in the wall and not falling down
onto the garage floor while it is setting. Isn't there any insulation
nbetween the garage wall and the inside of the house presumably that
is what is on the other side of the wall? I would not use the
extremely expandng foam on the outside chance that it would expand so
much that it would blow out the wall, either into the garage or into
the inside room.

At work, they seal penetrations through firewalls with fire-stop caulk.
Sorta rubbery when dry, and red. For OP- I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep
over it- even if firewall is all the way up to roof deck, once the
roofing material lights off over garage, whole roof is gonna burn
anyway. I'd just get a panel of the 5/8 firestop rock larger than the
hole by a foot in every direction, and screw it over the hole and forget
it. That way, if you ever need access, it is still there, but you have
the tighter fire break you wanted. You can even trim out the outside
edge of this overlay panel with u-channel of a tight fit, if you want it
to look pretty.

There is a fire-stop foam you can use on the drywall bottom. That is a very
unprofessional cut job on it and it is not normally hung to the floor. It
is very unusual for it to be past the top of the cement foundation as the
joist box is usually resting inside the foundation edge. Personally, I
would cut the excess off and put on a nice edging on it. That would be cut
with a Dewalt drywall cutout tool and a guidepoint bit.

Mike D.

"Bubba Bubbs" wrote in message
...
1966 ranch house in Denver Metro, Colorado. (I am not the original
owner.)
The attached garage does have a firewall (5/8 drywall) that separates
it from the house.
Two issues:

1. About 8-9 ft above garage floor is a hatch in the firewall; the
hatch allows access from the garage to the attic above the house.

See
http://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabub...39865428189714

The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?

2. The firewall/drywall doesn't go all the way down to the garage
floor. Rather, it ends about 3 inches above the garage floor.

See
http://picasaweb.google.com/bubbabub...40119956909026

Also, the drywall protrudes by about 3-4 inches from the wall on which
it is mounted - you can see how the bottom edge of the drywall is a
few inches away from the bottom concrete part of the wall. The space
behind the drywall is hollow (some 2-by-4s, I guess), so I would like
to seal off the bottom in order to create a fireproof seal, but also
to prevent moisture/insect/debris intrusion. But that area is a bit
awkward to work around.

My question: what is the best way to seal off that space? Can I use
the expanding foam sealant that somes in an aerosol can?

Thanks
Bubba

Just mud and paper tape to seal the hatch...The bottom I would rip down a PT
2X? to fit REAL snug between the drywall and the concrete...Slide/tap the 2X
into the space between the drywall and concrete untill it is somewhat
straight and/or level and screw the drywall to the 2X every foot or so..No
need to attach to concrete...Let it float..It will be fine...Trim off any
drywall that extends past the new 2X...Screw a 5/8 strip of drywall to the
bottom..May have to do it by hand with a screwdriver if drill/driver can't
get under it...Get some vinyl cornerbead and staple or glue it on with 3M
Drywall Adhesive and mud with joint compound...I wouldn't try to nail
regular cornerbead to it or you might break the drywall.......HTH....1966 is
the same year my ranch was built too...LOL...

On Oct 26, 9:15*pm, "benick" wrote:
"Bubba Bubbs" wrote in message

. . . . . . .
The hatch is, essentially, a 2ftx2ft opening in the drywall/firewall.
The 2'x2' piece of drywall is not even attched with any hinges, it's
just put in place to cover the opening and is fastened with four
nails. Naturally, there is a little bit of space inbetween, so I would
like to seal that space - basically, seal off that whole hatch. The
idea is to ensure a good fire-resistant seal between the garage and
the attic. (Going forward, I won't use the hatch; there is another
hatch in the hallway inside the house for attic access.)

My question: what kind of sealant should I use to seal the spaces
between the hatch "square" and the firewall. *Would any kind of fire
resistant caulk do the job? *Or is there some kind of tape I'm
supposed to use?
.. . . . .

. . . .Just mud and paper tape to seal the hatch...


I took a short course on firestops etc, a long, long, long time
ago. What I remember was that:

drywall/no tape/no mud = very poor firestop

drywall +tape + mud = good firestop

At work, they used some sort of quick setting ceramic cement to seal
around cables penetrating walls but they were meeting a tougher code
than residential.

Keep in mind that in residential, it's mostly "fire-slow-down", not
really "fire-stop".

Regards
-J