As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.


Do it outside?

Wash IT Then Dry IT Then stick it--------------Back
where you got IT
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

I have something even more illogical on page
555 000 000 345 of the honeywell Data base
they wrote Cu instead of Ag.
I WAS SHOCKED AND HORRIFIED AND
COMPLAINED THEY TOLD ME TO ****
OFF AND GET A LIFE

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

Hey!! You learn pretty quick. How bad did you get screwed when they bent you
over for that thing?? Did you get kissed after??

For $500 each month a company will clean your
HEPA filter and remove the HAZARDOUS WASTE
Ask Honeywell to recommend a company

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

I clean my HEPA air filters and other air filters inside my house with my
vacuum cleaner and don't notice any dust coming out of the vacuum.

If you are real sensitive to dust, I would suggest cleaning outside or
having someone else do this.


"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it makes no sense at all. the filter gets dirty,, you vacumming it will
never get the vast majority of dirt that will infiltrate it. Its a ploy and
its a horrible ploy too. They should be sued
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...

As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a "Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is
suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to make sense of this logic. When
you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the fine particles away
from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum cleaner.
I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

Do it outside?

Yes, that option occurred to me. I'm trying to avoid it, since I live
in a highrise (no balcony). Also, many appliances warn users not to
use them outside. I've never known why, but of the prevalence of the
warning, it is likely to be well-founded.

ps. its almost as bad as the electric radio shack model air cleaner they use
to see with an ionizer and somekind of bulb to kill the dust and an
ionizer. The stuff gives off an electrical smell and some dirt accumulates
on the metal grids. What a hell of a joke that is on the consumer. I
accumulate more dirt on my tv than that thing takes in and I get a horrific
smell too and God knows what else that thing does to make it worse for ya.
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Of course, you could do the vacuuming outdoors, and disperse all them nasy
particles out to the world. At least they would not be indoors with you.

Yes, that option occurred to me. I'm trying to avoid it, since I live
in a highrise (no balcony). Also, many appliances warn users not to
use them outside. I've never known why, but of the prevalence of the
warning, it is likely to be well-founded. However, it may be the only practical
one.

You could also clean the filter with compressed air, and not worry about the
vacuum bag. Just clean out the filter at your local auto repair garage,
where they won't notice the extra particles.

If that is required, I'd probably exchange it for another make. This model was
probably meant for house dwellers with a garage containing a shop-vac. But the
vacuuming outdoors is certainly a possibility (still seeking others).

gjensen wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

A good vaccuum that would not spew out the small particles that a HEPA filter is
meant for would be vacuum that itself has a HEPA filter. I acknowledge that
there may be cases where it makes sense to clean one HEPA filter by at the
expense of another one (e.g. if the 2nd one was way cheaper), but I think I'd
like to avoid purchasing a HEPA filtered vacuum at this point.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

Interesting. The website advises keeping windows open for fresh air. The
Honeywell air purifier requires the opposite. That is, the instructions advise
running it all the time with windows and doors closed. That probably minimizes
the particulate matter in the air, but probably traps and accumulates chemicals
or outgassing from products for which that is a problem. Because of these
instructions, I would say that the HEPA filter air purifier is of greater
utility in the winter, when the windows are closed anyway.

Bill wrote:
I clean my HEPA air filters and other air filters inside my house with my
vacuum cleaner and don't notice any dust coming out of the vacuum.

Unless the vacuum bag is a HEPA grade filter or better, the small particles for
which the air purifier's HEPA filter are meant will spew out. Not all of them,
of course, since some will catch onto the material already in the bag, and the
bag itself, but many will simply because the mesh is not as fine. You might not
notice it right away (or at all, depending on the particles in the air in your
home, and your sensitivities).

If you are real sensitive to dust, I would suggest cleaning outside or
having someone else do this.

Yes, I described some reservations I had about that, but it looks like it's
becoming the only option. Thanks!

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

mcs wrote:
ps. its almost as bad as the electric radio shack model air cleaner they use
to see with an ionizer and somekind of bulb to kill the dust and an
ionizer. The stuff gives off an electrical smell and some dirt accumulates
on the metal grids. What a hell of a joke that is on the consumer. I
accumulate more dirt on my tv than that thing takes in and I get a horrific
smell too and God knows what else that thing does to make it worse for ya.

When I last looked at Consumer Report, many years ago, the ionizers weren't so good.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

mcs wrote:
it makes no sense at all. the filter gets dirty,, you vacumming it will
never get the vast majority of dirt that will infiltrate it. Its a ploy and
its a horrible ploy too. They should be sued

Well, I could always just switch to another make if I don't figure out a good
solution.

It is possible that they intend only to remove the "large" particles from the
surface of the deeply pleated filter -- those not caught by the prefilter. Some
of the fine particles for which the HEPA filter is meant may also be drawn away,
but that may not be the main purpose.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...

As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a "Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is
suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to make sense of this logic. When
you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the fine particles away
from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum cleaner.
I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

Do it outside?

Yes, that option occurred to me. I'm trying to avoid it, since I live
in a highrise (no balcony). Also, many appliances warn users not to
use them outside. I've never known why, but of the prevalence of the
warning, it is likely to be well-founded.

because some people would (read: probably have done so, and sued) use the
appliances in the rain.

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
mcs wrote:
it makes no sense at all. the filter gets dirty,, you vacumming it will
never get the vast majority of dirt that will infiltrate it. Its a ploy
and
its a horrible ploy too. They should be sued

Well, I could always just switch to another make if I don't figure out a
good
solution.

It is possible that they intend only to remove the "large" particles from
the
surface of the deeply pleated filter -- those not caught by the prefilter.
Some
of the fine particles for which the HEPA filter is meant may also be drawn
away,
but that may not be the main purpose.
Hi
I am assuming your young . Many people have experience with this. Please
don't use what you bought and take it back. I can say allot more but at this
point thats the most important thing to remember right now. Air filtrations
systems for the home are basically a giant waste of money ( I can detect
particulate pollution from any place and give you accurate readings). There
are ways to compensate but lets just say if you want effective you can
vaccum the large particles every week and hope for the best But buy new
every month or every two months or else the fine particulates that
accumulated deep inside. will start to recircle toward you. Its a sorry
state of affairs but people like me who have to live in this mess have to
suffer the consequences ina myraid of ways. The only way I think people can
protect themselves ( should I give trade secretes out? ) na... no one likes
my rants..

"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

anywebsite that suggests people keep their windows open is not exactly
advocating better air. It maybe ( just maybe) be better then recirculating
bad air but not much especially if the particulate pollution is high in
which case the advice is horrible
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
gjensen wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

A good vaccuum that would not spew out the small particles that a HEPA
filter is
meant for would be vacuum that itself has a HEPA filter. I acknowledge
that
there may be cases where it makes sense to clean one HEPA filter by at the
expense of another one (e.g. if the 2nd one was way cheaper), but I think
I'd
like to avoid purchasing a HEPA filtered vacuum at this point.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

Interesting. The website advises keeping windows open for fresh air. The
Honeywell air purifier requires the opposite. That is, the instructions
advise
running it all the time with windows and doors closed. That probably
minimizes
the particulate matter in the air, but probably traps and accumulates
chemicals
or outgassing from products for which that is a problem. Because of these
instructions, I would say that the HEPA filter air purifier is of greater
utility in the winter, when the windows are closed anyway.

On Sep 13, 10:22 am, "mcs" wrote:
anywebsite that suggests people keep their windows open is not exactly
advocating better air. It maybe ( just maybe) be better then recirculating
bad air but not much especially if the particulate pollution is high in
which case the advice is horrible"Dubious Dude" wrote in message

...



gjensen wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

A good vaccuum that would not spew out the small particles that a HEPA
filter is
meant for would be vacuum that itself has a HEPA filter. I acknowledge
that
there may be cases where it makes sense to clean one HEPA filter by at the
expense of another one (e.g. if the 2nd one was way cheaper), but I think
I'd
like to avoid purchasing a HEPA filtered vacuum at this point.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

Interesting. The website advises keeping windows open for fresh air. The
Honeywell air purifier requires the opposite. That is, the instructions
advise
running it all the time with windows and doors closed. That probably
minimizes
the particulate matter in the air, but probably traps and accumulates
chemicals
or outgassing from products for which that is a problem. Because of these
instructions, I would say that the HEPA filter air purifier is of greater
utility in the winter, when the windows are closed anyway.- Hide quoted text -

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"iamallergicto" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 13, 10:22 am, "mcs" wrote:
anywebsite that suggests people keep their windows open is not exactly
advocating better air. It maybe ( just maybe) be better then
recirculating
bad air but not much especially if the particulate pollution is high in
which case the advice is horrible"Dubious Dude" wrote
in message

...



gjensen wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

A good vaccuum that would not spew out the small particles that a HEPA
filter is
meant for would be vacuum that itself has a HEPA filter. I acknowledge
that
there may be cases where it makes sense to clean one HEPA filter by at
the
expense of another one (e.g. if the 2nd one was way cheaper), but I
think
I'd
like to avoid purchasing a HEPA filtered vacuum at this point.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

Interesting. The website advises keeping windows open for fresh air.
The
Honeywell air purifier requires the opposite. That is, the
instructions
advise
running it all the time with windows and doors closed. That probably
minimizes
the particulate matter in the air, but probably traps and accumulates
chemicals
or outgassing from products for which that is a problem. Because of
these
instructions, I would say that the HEPA filter air purifier is of
greater
utility in the winter, when the windows are closed anyway.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi, I have a unique website www.iamallergicto.com. Due to my financial
dificulties I am not able to advertise & promote my website on the
global web. Please help me make this website popular. Any suggestions
on how to advertise this website for free would be appreciated.

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"iamallergicto" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 13, 10:22 am, "mcs" wrote:
anywebsite that suggests people keep their windows open is not exactly
advocating better air. It maybe ( just maybe) be better then
recirculating
bad air but not much especially if the particulate pollution is high in
which case the advice is horrible"Dubious Dude" wrote
in message

...



gjensen wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:45 pm, Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

it does seem ironic but, theoretically the a good vacuum will suck up
the dirt and dust in the in the filter not just spew it around.

A good vaccuum that would not spew out the small particles that a HEPA
filter is
meant for would be vacuum that itself has a HEPA filter. I acknowledge
that
there may be cases where it makes sense to clean one HEPA filter by at
the
expense of another one (e.g. if the 2nd one was way cheaper), but I
think
I'd
like to avoid purchasing a HEPA filtered vacuum at this point.

Here are some more ideas about how to clean the air in your home,
http://www.familiesonlinemagazine.co...ement/8071.php

Interesting. The website advises keeping windows open for fresh air.
The
Honeywell air purifier requires the opposite. That is, the
instructions
advise
running it all the time with windows and doors closed. That probably
minimizes
the particulate matter in the air, but probably traps and accumulates
chemicals
or outgassing from products for which that is a problem. Because of
these
instructions, I would say that the HEPA filter air purifier is of
greater
utility in the winter, when the windows are closed anyway.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi, I have a unique website www.iamallergicto.com. Due to my financial
dificulties I am not able to advertise & promote my website on the
global web. Please help me make this website popular. Any suggestions
on how to advertise this website for free would be appreciated.

Thanks


Sure--anywhere but here; this is a support group. However, you can get
creative about placing your site into search engines with selected keywords.

Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should not
be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to wash the
filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth. Don't trust
Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA air cleaners have
a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a small bedroom sized area.

mcs wrote:
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
mcs wrote:
it makes no sense at all. the filter gets dirty,, you vacumming it will
never get the vast majority of dirt that will infiltrate it. Its a ploy
and
its a horrible ploy too. They should be sued
Well, I could always just switch to another make if I don't figure out a
good
solution.

It is possible that they intend only to remove the "large" particles from
the
surface of the deeply pleated filter -- those not caught by the prefilter.
Some
of the fine particles for which the HEPA filter is meant may also be drawn
away,
but that may not be the main purpose.
Hi
I am assuming your young . Many people have experience with this. Please
don't use what you bought and take it back. I can say allot more but at this
point thats the most important thing to remember right now. Air filtrations
systems for the home are basically a giant waste of money ( I can detect
particulate pollution from any place and give you accurate readings). There
are ways to compensate but lets just say if you want effective you can
vaccum the large particles every week and hope for the best But buy new
every month or every two months or else the fine particulates that
accumulated deep inside. will start to recircle toward you. Its a sorry
state of affairs but people like me who have to live in this mess have to
suffer the consequences ina myraid of ways. The only way I think people can
protect themselves ( should I give trade secretes out? ) na... no one likes
my rants..
"Dubious Dude" wrote in message
...
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It
h
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling
the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.



MCS check out the TRACS, EZ Air & Bio-Net HEPA Air Cleaners. All three
of these units will give you a very high air exchange rate per hour and
cover spaces up to 1000 square feet and they will all pass a Laser
Particle Test Showing ZERO emmissions to .03 microns! You can see a live
video of the laser particle test for these units yourself at
http://www.aircleaners.com

"Ecodude" wrote in message
...
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100. It
has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.

installing bag into vacuum cleaner will help

REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should not be
vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to wash the
filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth. Don't trust
Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA air cleaners have a
VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a small bedroom sized area.

Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should not
be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to wash the
filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth. Don't trust
Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA air cleaners have
a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For volume
efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also have
lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If they
were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

"gs" wrote in message
...
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model 50100.
It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't all
that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should not be
vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to wash the
filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth. Don't trust
Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA air cleaners have
a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For volume
efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also have
lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If they
were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

There are plastic, washable filters, but I wouldn't have one if it was given
to me. Unless you dissassemble the whole thing and wash out each individual
layer of filter media, then reassemble the whole thing, your never gonna get
everything out of it, and after a short whole they become unsanitary. Then
there is the matter of they create too much restriction in the airflow, and
they just don't work well. Try a MERV 11 pleated disposable filter... change
it every month. Use paying your power bill as a filter change reminder.
clean filter = better efficiency = lower bills

FWIW, a *true* HEPA filter in a resi setting is a waste of money....True
HEPA filters get used in clean rooms and such. THey are 95%+ efficient....in
a resi setting, your gonna get a whole lot more dust and dirt than a HEPA
filter can handle just by infiltration of outside air, and the system has to
be specially designed for HEPA filters.

Noon-Air wrote:

"gs" wrote in message
...
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum.
I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via
the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should
not be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to
wash the filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth.
Don't trust Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA
air cleaners have a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a
small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For
volume efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several
whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also
have lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If
they were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

There are plastic, washable filters, but I wouldn't have one if it was
given to me. Unless you dissassemble the whole thing and wash out each
individual layer of filter media, then reassemble the whole thing, your
never gonna get everything out of it, and after a short whole they
become unsanitary. Then there is the matter of they create too much
restriction in the airflow, and they just don't work well. Try a MERV 11
pleated disposable filter... change it every month. Use paying your
power bill as a filter change reminder. clean filter = better efficiency
= lower bills

FWIW, a *true* HEPA filter in a resi setting is a waste of money....True
HEPA filters get used in clean rooms and such. THey are 95%+
efficient....in a resi setting, your gonna get a whole lot more dust and
dirt than a HEPA filter can handle just by infiltration of outside air,
and the system has to be specially designed for HEPA filters.

I have not seen any GOOD washable filters, except for the 3M Filtrite
ones which have a plastic element, that can be washed. If there smoking
in the house, the smoke collects on the filter, and can be washed with
harsh cleaners like Greased Lightning, or Castrol Supererclean
It will return to almost an orginal white color. First blow it out with
an air hose, both directions. There are other cheaper brands that don't
filter as well but have higher air flow. Many small particles are
sticky and cannot be vacuumed. A charcoal filter will filter out
remaining gas particles.

g

gs wrote:
Noon-Air wrote:

"gs" wrote in message
...
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum.
I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via
the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should
not be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to
wash the filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth.
Don't trust Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA
air cleaners have a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a
small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For
volume efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several
whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also
have lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If
they were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

There are plastic, washable filters, but I wouldn't have one if it was
given to me. Unless you dissassemble the whole thing and wash out each
individual layer of filter media, then reassemble the whole thing,
your never gonna get everything out of it, and after a short whole
they become unsanitary. Then there is the matter of they create too
much restriction in the airflow, and they just don't work well. Try a
MERV 11 pleated disposable filter... change it every month. Use paying
your power bill as a filter change reminder. clean filter = better
efficiency = lower bills

FWIW, a *true* HEPA filter in a resi setting is a waste of
money....True HEPA filters get used in clean rooms and such. THey are
95%+ efficient....in a resi setting, your gonna get a whole lot more
dust and dirt than a HEPA filter can handle just by infiltration of
outside air, and the system has to be specially designed for HEPA
filters.

I have not seen any GOOD washable filters, except for the 3M Filtrite
ones which have a plastic element, that can be washed. If there smoking
in the house, the smoke collects on the filter, and can be washed with
harsh cleaners like Greased Lightning, or Castrol Supererclean
It will return to almost an orginal white color. First blow it out with
an air hose, both directions. There are other cheaper brands that don't
filter as well but have higher air flow. Many small particles are
sticky and cannot be vacuumed. A charcoal filter will filter out
remaining gas particles.

g

When I moved in the new house I got a new system. I told the guy I
wanted a larger filter slot, but the worker proceeded to install their
standard, 16X20, like in the old house. I returned to the 30X20
in the old house by doing some cutting of the ducts. Same thing in
the new house going to a 20X25. Funny thing, all filter cost the same
even in different sizes, but the cost per season is way different.

g

gs wrote:
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum. I'm
trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via the
vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should not
be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to wash
the filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth. Don't
trust Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA air
cleaners have a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a small
bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For volume
efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also have
lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If they
were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

GS, You may want to read this accurate report on whole house air cleaner
systems to lean why they really don't work well. The Report is long
informative but well worth reading!


Whole House Air Cleaners Report / Why They Do Not Work!
This information, is brought to you by Absolute Air Cleaners and
Purifiers Inc.
As you search for that perfect air cleaner to protect your family from
dust, pet dander and other airborne allergens, you will run across many
different types of air cleaners, air purifiers, air filters and air
filtration systems. One of the most interesting and eye catching
products on the market is the Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Filtration
System. This report also includes Whole House Air Filters and Whole
House Air Purifiers. There are many of them on the market!

Unfortunately human nature often kicks into high gear when the wonderful
offer of a central whole house air cleaner is advertised as a way of
keeping your entire house clean with just one single gizmo! THE FACT IS
THESE AIR CLEANERS JUST CAN’T CLEAN A WHOLE HOUSE!

There are five types of air cleaning products that are advertised to
clean a whole house.

They a

Whole house HEPA air filtration bypass air cleaners
Whole house Electronic air cleaners
Whole house Self-Charging electrostatic air filters
Whole house Ultra-violet light systems
Whole house Portable ozone-ionizer air purifiers
This report will explain the truth about how each of these products
actually operate and what benefits they really do provide for you. Also
included are the proper steps to take for a clean indoor air environment.

Myth #1. Whole house HEPA air cleaner / bypass systems - These somewhat
expensive systems are flawed in design from the beginning. The idea
behind these units is to pull a portion of the air stream from the
return side of your furnace or air conditioning system, clean it and
then return it into the supply side of the furnace or air conditioning
systems ductwork. Most of the time, it involves taking up to 30% of the
air from the return ductwork. The air is then cleaned with a high
efficiency filter such as a HEPA and/or carbon filter. The cleaned air
is then returned into the supply ductwork of the air handling system
(bypassing” the air handler unit). Such an air cleaning system under
this design poses many areas of failure. First of all, you are assuming
that the majority of the airborne contaminants in your living space are
drawn into the heating and or cooling system. However, home heating/air
conditioning systems are designed to heat and cool. They are not
designed to pull dust, dander and allergens into a HEPA air cleaner from
the narrow return ductwork at far distances. Note that the great
majority of homes have only one air return per air conditioning system.
So without having a means of returning the air from each and every room
to the air handler, the overall effectiveness of these HEPA air cleaner
systems is nullified. This is because the majority of rooms will not be
able to have dirty air pulled from them. So the “whole house” air
cleaner will only be able to clean the dirty air that makes it into the
return side of the ductwork. This is a very limited amount! Secondly, in
order for the HEPA air cleaner to work at all, the fan for the HEPA air
cleaner and the fan for the air handler unit must run all of the time.
THIS MEANS HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS! Having both blower units running
constantly uses significantly more electricity than portable systems
located in individual rooms. Lastly, and more importantly, even in an
ideal world where the air from all over the house is making it back into
the return ductwork through multiple air returns, a bypass system is
only cleaning up to 30% of the return air because it is only receiving
up to 30% of the return air. This means, even if the HEPA air cleaner
unit is running at 100% efficiency for all contaminants, only 30% of the
entire air going through the return ductwork is actually being cleaned.
Therefore, when you look at the system as a whole, it is only 30%
efficient. Plus the entire air return ductwork from the air vents in the
rooms to the HEPA air cleaner system will become filthy because the air
entering into the return ductwork is not being filtered!

Also, Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Systems require expensive pre-filter
replacements to protect the even more expensive HEPA filter! The bottom
line here is that Central HEPA air cleaner types that install into air
conditioning / furnace systems cannot properly clean the air in an
entire whole house or building!

Myth #2. Whole house electronic air cleaners (Also Called Electrostatic
precipitators) - Electronic air cleaners are made to fit into the air
return side of the central air conditioning system or furnace. They can
only filter the air that is brought into them from the air return duct
or area that leads to the electronic air cleaner unit. These units use
electrically charged metal or fiber cells that attract dust particles
onto them. Unfortunately this old technology is outdated and it does not
work well! This is because after a light amount of dust covers the
surface of the charged cell grid, the rest of the incoming dust and
allergens will pass right through the air cleaner and back into the
indoor environment for people to breathe! Also, Central Electronic Air
Cleaners with Charged Collector Cell Grids Produce Non-Adjustable Levels
of Ozone! This can be an irritant to people with asthma and lung
problems! Since most homes and buildings have only one central air
return per system or zone, these electronic air cleaners cannot pull
dirty air from rooms or areas that are more then a few feet away from
the air return that is attached to or leading to the electronic air
cleaner. Major companies that produce these electronic air cleaners are
Honeywell, Trion and Aprilaire. There is THERE IS NO WAY that central
electronic air cleaners can pull the dirty air from across the house or
from the inside of bedrooms and or offices that are away from the
central air return area in your home or building! They Are Not Whole
House Air Cleaners!

Myth #3. Whole house self-charging electrostatic air filters -These air
filters are custom made to size to replace your existing throw away air
filters in your furnace or central air conditioning systems air handler
unit or air return. They are made from multiple layers of poly propylene
fiber which allow them to become electrically charged when air flows
through them. They can then grab dust and allergens onto them like a
magnet. These air filters are durable, washable, reasonably priced and
they can last for many years. They are wonderful for keeping your air
conditioning or heating system and ductwork clean as they can catch and
remove very small particles of dust and allergens from the air in your
home or building! However, just like the less effective throw away
filters, self charging electrostatic air filters can only clean the air
from the air handler unit or from the air return area they are operating
from! Self-charging electrostatic air filters cannot pull the dirty air
from across the house or from the inside of bedrooms and or offices that
are away from the central air return area in your home or building! They
Are Not Whole House Air Filters!

Myth #4. Whole house ultra-violet (UV) light systems for central air
conditioning units - These ultra-violet light systems are installed into
air conditioning systems to kill mold and bacteria. They do not remove
dust, particulates or airborne allergens from the A/C system, air ducts
or from the indoor environment! These units are supposed to be installed
so the ultra-violet lights are shining onto the evaporator coil on the
air return intake side to prevent mold and bacteria growth on the
evaporator coil and surrounding area, yet many of these units are
installed improperly into areas of the air handler or air plenum where
they can not do much good. Beware of UV light systems that produce
ozone! Many of these UV light systems produce ozone at levels that
cannot be controlled! Too much ozone can be an irritant to people with
asthma and lung problems! I have experienced ozone producing UV light
systems that created so much ozone it burned my eyes and throat. And I
do not have asthma or any lung problems at all! Some of these units are
also produced with non-ozone producing UV bulbs. However please note, if
an air conditioning system is clean and installed properly and it has a
high quality self charging electrostatic or pleated air filter in it to
protect the air handler and evaporator coil from dust, the chance of the
evaporator coil and the rest of the system becoming contaminated with
dirt, mold and bacteria will be greatly reduced. We recommend properly
cleaning your air conditioning system and duct work while installing an
upgraded quality air filter instead of a ultra-violet light system.
Please know that ultra-violet Light units for your air conditioning
system are not whole house air cleaners even though people will claim
that they will keep your entire home clean!

Myth# 5. Whole house Portable Ozone Ionizer air purifiers - Some air
purifiers include both needle point and radio wave ionizers that can
ionize the air in mutable rooms in your home or building. These air
purifiers produce negative ions that are sent into the air. Negative
ions work by attaching themselves to small floating particles in your
indoor air forcing the particles to quickly drop out of suspension and
then down to the ground or onto any surface below. These air purifiers
will drop smoke, dust, pollen and animal dander from the floating indoor
air environment and down to the surface below to be vacuumed. However if
your bedroom is in the area being ionized, floating particles including
allergens can drop onto you while sleeping in bed. This can cause
problems for those with allergies and asthma. Some of these air
purifiers also produce adjustable levels of ozone. Ozone is that fresh
smell that occurs after a thunderstorm when lightning cuts through the
oxygen splitting some of the oxygen in the air into ozone. Ozone does a
wonderful job of removing all kinds of odors such as smoke odors, musty
odors, pet odors, food odors, chemical odors, and body odors. The ozone
works by oxidizing the odors. However, since ozone is an oxidizer it can
be an irritant to those with asthma and lung disease if turned up to
high. So if you or a family member has asthma or lung problems, ozone
–ionizer air purifiers are not for you! IF YOU’RE A SMOKER THEY REALLY
DO A GREAT JOB OF QUICKLY REMOVING FLOATING CIGARETTE SMOKE, CIGAR SMOKE
AND ODORS FROM INDOOR ENVIRONMENTS. Please remember that these air
purifiers do not filter the air and they are not whole house air
cleaners even though people often claim that they are!

THE ANSWER, What You Can Do For a Clean Indoor Environment

As explained above, there is no one single air cleaner or air purifier
system that will keep your entire home or building dust or allergen
free. If you have a central air conditioning or furnace system in your
home or building and you have the desire to keep it as dust and allergen
free as possible, follow the four steps below for a clean and healthy
indoor environment.

Keep you ducted air conditioning system or furnace clean and install a
quality self charging electrostatic air filter or pleated air filter in
the main air return or air handler unit to keep your system clean for
the future. If you desire to have your air ducts and air handler unit
properly cleaned visit the National Air Duct Cleaners Association at
http://www.nadca.com and interview some of the members in your area so
you can choose the right air duct cleaning company that will best fit
your needs.

Purchase and place a quality HEPA air cleaner or HEPA air purifier in
the most important areas of your home or building that need to be the
most dust or allergy free. Most people place HEPA air cleaners or HEPA
air purifiers in the bedrooms, family room and office area if there is
one. If you have a mold problem in your living space or if you need a
unit that will kill and reduce mold bacteria and viruses, make sure you
purchase a portable HEPA air cleaner or air purifier that includes a non
ozone producing ultra-violet light system. When choosing a portable HEPA
air cleaner or HEPA air purifier it is important to look for brands and
models that are quiet while producing the highest air exchange rate per
hour in any given sized room or area, at the lowest aftermarket filter
replacement cost. We feel that the highest quality HEPA air cleaners/
air purifiers on the market are made by Austin Air, TRACS, EZ Air and
Bio-Net.

If possible replace all carpeting with ceramic tile or hardwood floors.
{Tile is best} New carpeting is loaded with toxic chemicals that will
outgas for a period of 2-3 years and old carpeting is often loaded with
dust and allergens that include molds, bacteria, dead skin, animal
dander and dust mite allergen. All of these problems are major triggers
for allergies and asthma! If the carpeting must stay, VACUUM OFTEN! Use
a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner that is sealed tight so the fine dust does
not blow back into your indoor environment while you are vacuuming.
Sweeping ceramic tile or hardwood floors is not the best way to clean as
it causes the dust and allergens to fly back into the air. Vacuuming all
surfaces with a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner is the best way to go. We
feel that the Airstorm HEPA vacuum cleaner is the highest quality HEPA
vacuum cleaner on the market.

Un-clutter your living space and keep it Clean. This is very important!
Also get rid of all feather pillows and wash all of your bedding in HOT
water as least once a week to limit dust and Dust Mite allergen from
building up. Dust Mite allergen is very reactive to people with
allergies and asthma. It must be reduced as much as possible! If you
have pets, do not allow them into your bedrooms to spread their animal
dander. Look at your bedrooms as a safe haven to sleep in if you are
allergic to your pet dog or cat. If you do have pets and follow these
four steps, you will have a much better chance of being able to keep the
pets that you love and live with. It is our hope that this report will
be helpful to you in creating a healthy, clean, more allergy free indoor
environment for your family or workplace employees!


A great resource for your HEPA air cleaner / air purifier needs can be
found at http://www.aircleaners.com/

This report is 100% free and you are welcome to reprint it on your
website to share with your readers as long as you include the resource
information links to the website{s} shown above.

Ecodude wrote:
gs wrote:
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum.
I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via
the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should
not be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to
wash the filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth.
Don't trust Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA
air cleaners have a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a
small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For
volume efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several
whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also
have lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If
they were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

GS, You may want to read this accurate report on whole house air cleaner
systems to lean why they really don't work well. The Report is long
informative but well worth reading!


Whole House Air Cleaners Report / Why They Do Not Work!
This information, is brought to you by Absolute Air Cleaners and
Purifiers Inc.
As you search for that perfect air cleaner to protect your family from
dust, pet dander and other airborne allergens, you will run across many
different types of air cleaners, air purifiers, air filters and air
filtration systems. One of the most interesting and eye catching
products on the market is the Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Filtration
System. This report also includes Whole House Air Filters and Whole
House Air Purifiers. There are many of them on the market!

Unfortunately human nature often kicks into high gear when the wonderful
offer of a central whole house air cleaner is advertised as a way of
keeping your entire house clean with just one single gizmo! THE FACT IS
THESE AIR CLEANERS JUST CAN’T CLEAN A WHOLE HOUSE!

There are five types of air cleaning products that are advertised to
clean a whole house.

They a

Whole house HEPA air filtration bypass air cleaners
Whole house Electronic air cleaners
Whole house Self-Charging electrostatic air filters
Whole house Ultra-violet light systems
Whole house Portable ozone-ionizer air purifiers
This report will explain the truth about how each of these products
actually operate and what benefits they really do provide for you. Also
included are the proper steps to take for a clean indoor air environment.

Myth #1. Whole house HEPA air cleaner / bypass systems - These somewhat
expensive systems are flawed in design from the beginning. The idea
behind these units is to pull a portion of the air stream from the
return side of your furnace or air conditioning system, clean it and
then return it into the supply side of the furnace or air conditioning
systems ductwork. Most of the time, it involves taking up to 30% of the
air from the return ductwork. The air is then cleaned with a high
efficiency filter such as a HEPA and/or carbon filter. The cleaned air
is then returned into the supply ductwork of the air handling system
(bypassing” the air handler unit). Such an air cleaning system under
this design poses many areas of failure. First of all, you are assuming
that the majority of the airborne contaminants in your living space are
drawn into the heating and or cooling system. However, home heating/air
conditioning systems are designed to heat and cool. They are not
designed to pull dust, dander and allergens into a HEPA air cleaner from
the narrow return ductwork at far distances. Note that the great
majority of homes have only one air return per air conditioning system.
So without having a means of returning the air from each and every room
to the air handler, the overall effectiveness of these HEPA air cleaner
systems is nullified. This is because the majority of rooms will not be
able to have dirty air pulled from them. So the “whole house” air
cleaner will only be able to clean the dirty air that makes it into the
return side of the ductwork. This is a very limited amount! Secondly, in
order for the HEPA air cleaner to work at all, the fan for the HEPA air
cleaner and the fan for the air handler unit must run all of the time.
THIS MEANS HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS! Having both blower units running
constantly uses significantly more electricity than portable systems
located in individual rooms. Lastly, and more importantly, even in an
ideal world where the air from all over the house is making it back into
the return ductwork through multiple air returns, a bypass system is
only cleaning up to 30% of the return air because it is only receiving
up to 30% of the return air. This means, even if the HEPA air cleaner
unit is running at 100% efficiency for all contaminants, only 30% of the
entire air going through the return ductwork is actually being cleaned.
Therefore, when you look at the system as a whole, it is only 30%
efficient. Plus the entire air return ductwork from the air vents in the
rooms to the HEPA air cleaner system will become filthy because the air
entering into the return ductwork is not being filtered!

Also, Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Systems require expensive pre-filter
replacements to protect the even more expensive HEPA filter! The bottom
line here is that Central HEPA air cleaner types that install into air
conditioning / furnace systems cannot properly clean the air in an
entire whole house or building!

Myth #2. Whole house electronic air cleaners (Also Called Electrostatic
precipitators) - Electronic air cleaners are made to fit into the air
return side of the central air conditioning system or furnace. They can
only filter the air that is brought into them from the air return duct
or area that leads to the electronic air cleaner unit. These units use
electrically charged metal or fiber cells that attract dust particles
onto them. Unfortunately this old technology is outdated and it does not
work well! This is because after a light amount of dust covers the
surface of the charged cell grid, the rest of the incoming dust and
allergens will pass right through the air cleaner and back into the
indoor environment for people to breathe! Also, Central Electronic Air
Cleaners with Charged Collector Cell Grids Produce Non-Adjustable Levels
of Ozone! This can be an irritant to people with asthma and lung
problems! Since most homes and buildings have only one central air
return per system or zone, these electronic air cleaners cannot pull
dirty air from rooms or areas that are more then a few feet away from
the air return that is attached to or leading to the electronic air
cleaner. Major companies that produce these electronic air cleaners are
Honeywell, Trion and Aprilaire. There is THERE IS NO WAY that central
electronic air cleaners can pull the dirty air from across the house or
from the inside of bedrooms and or offices that are away from the
central air return area in your home or building! They Are Not Whole
House Air Cleaners!

Myth #3. Whole house self-charging electrostatic air filters -These air
filters are custom made to size to replace your existing throw away air
filters in your furnace or central air conditioning systems air handler
unit or air return. They are made from multiple layers of poly propylene
fiber which allow them to become electrically charged when air flows
through them. They can then grab dust and allergens onto them like a
magnet. These air filters are durable, washable, reasonably priced and
they can last for many years. They are wonderful for keeping your air
conditioning or heating system and ductwork clean as they can catch and
remove very small particles of dust and allergens from the air in your
home or building! However, just like the less effective throw away
filters, self charging electrostatic air filters can only clean the air
from the air handler unit or from the air return area they are operating
from! Self-charging electrostatic air filters cannot pull the dirty air
from across the house or from the inside of bedrooms and or offices that
are away from the central air return area in your home or building! They
Are Not Whole House Air Filters!

Myth #4. Whole house ultra-violet (UV) light systems for central air
conditioning units - These ultra-violet light systems are installed into
air conditioning systems to kill mold and bacteria. They do not remove
dust, particulates or airborne allergens from the A/C system, air ducts
or from the indoor environment! These units are supposed to be installed
so the ultra-violet lights are shining onto the evaporator coil on the
air return intake side to prevent mold and bacteria growth on the
evaporator coil and surrounding area, yet many of these units are
installed improperly into areas of the air handler or air plenum where
they can not do much good. Beware of UV light systems that produce
ozone! Many of these UV light systems produce ozone at levels that
cannot be controlled! Too much ozone can be an irritant to people with
asthma and lung problems! I have experienced ozone producing UV light
systems that created so much ozone it burned my eyes and throat. And I
do not have asthma or any lung problems at all! Some of these units are
also produced with non-ozone producing UV bulbs. However please note, if
an air conditioning system is clean and installed properly and it has a
high quality self charging electrostatic or pleated air filter in it to
protect the air handler and evaporator coil from dust, the chance of the
evaporator coil and the rest of the system becoming contaminated with
dirt, mold and bacteria will be greatly reduced. We recommend properly
cleaning your air conditioning system and duct work while installing an
upgraded quality air filter instead of a ultra-violet light system.
Please know that ultra-violet Light units for your air conditioning
system are not whole house air cleaners even though people will claim
that they will keep your entire home clean!

Myth# 5. Whole house Portable Ozone Ionizer air purifiers - Some air
purifiers include both needle point and radio wave ionizers that can
ionize the air in mutable rooms in your home or building. These air
purifiers produce negative ions that are sent into the air. Negative
ions work by attaching themselves to small floating particles in your
indoor air forcing the particles to quickly drop out of suspension and
then down to the ground or onto any surface below. These air purifiers
will drop smoke, dust, pollen and animal dander from the floating indoor
air environment and down to the surface below to be vacuumed. However if
your bedroom is in the area being ionized, floating particles including
allergens can drop onto you while sleeping in bed. This can cause
problems for those with allergies and asthma. Some of these air
purifiers also produce adjustable levels of ozone. Ozone is that fresh
smell that occurs after a thunderstorm when lightning cuts through the
oxygen splitting some of the oxygen in the air into ozone. Ozone does a
wonderful job of removing all kinds of odors such as smoke odors, musty
odors, pet odors, food odors, chemical odors, and body odors. The ozone
works by oxidizing the odors. However, since ozone is an oxidizer it can
be an irritant to those with asthma and lung disease if turned up to
high. So if you or a family member has asthma or lung problems, ozone
–ionizer air purifiers are not for you! IF YOU’RE A SMOKER THEY REALLY
DO A GREAT JOB OF QUICKLY REMOVING FLOATING CIGARETTE SMOKE, CIGAR SMOKE
AND ODORS FROM INDOOR ENVIRONMENTS. Please remember that these air
purifiers do not filter the air and they are not whole house air
cleaners even though people often claim that they are!

THE ANSWER, What You Can Do For a Clean Indoor Environment

As explained above, there is no one single air cleaner or air purifier
system that will keep your entire home or building dust or allergen
free. If you have a central air conditioning or furnace system in your
home or building and you have the desire to keep it as dust and allergen
free as possible, follow the four steps below for a clean and healthy
indoor environment.

Keep you ducted air conditioning system or furnace clean and install a
quality self charging electrostatic air filter or pleated air filter in
the main air return or air handler unit to keep your system clean for
the future. If you desire to have your air ducts and air handler unit
properly cleaned visit the National Air Duct Cleaners Association at
http://www.nadca.com and interview some of the members in your area so
you can choose the right air duct cleaning company that will best fit
your needs.

Purchase and place a quality HEPA air cleaner or HEPA air purifier in
the most important areas of your home or building that need to be the
most dust or allergy free. Most people place HEPA air cleaners or HEPA
air purifiers in the bedrooms, family room and office area if there is
one. If you have a mold problem in your living space or if you need a
unit that will kill and reduce mold bacteria and viruses, make sure you
purchase a portable HEPA air cleaner or air purifier that includes a non
ozone producing ultra-violet light system. When choosing a portable HEPA
air cleaner or HEPA air purifier it is important to look for brands and
models that are quiet while producing the highest air exchange rate per
hour in any given sized room or area, at the lowest aftermarket filter
replacement cost. We feel that the highest quality HEPA air cleaners/
air purifiers on the market are made by Austin Air, TRACS, EZ Air and
Bio-Net.

If possible replace all carpeting with ceramic tile or hardwood floors.
{Tile is best} New carpeting is loaded with toxic chemicals that will
outgas for a period of 2-3 years and old carpeting is often loaded with
dust and allergens that include molds, bacteria, dead skin, animal
dander and dust mite allergen. All of these problems are major triggers
for allergies and asthma! If the carpeting must stay, VACUUM OFTEN! Use
a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner that is sealed tight so the fine dust does
not blow back into your indoor environment while you are vacuuming.
Sweeping ceramic tile or hardwood floors is not the best way to clean as
it causes the dust and allergens to fly back into the air. Vacuuming all
surfaces with a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner is the best way to go. We
feel that the Airstorm HEPA vacuum cleaner is the highest quality HEPA
vacuum cleaner on the market.

Un-clutter your living space and keep it Clean. This is very important!
Also get rid of all feather pillows and wash all of your bedding in HOT
water as least once a week to limit dust and Dust Mite allergen from
building up. Dust Mite allergen is very reactive to people with
allergies and asthma. It must be reduced as much as possible! If you
have pets, do not allow them into your bedrooms to spread their animal
dander. Look at your bedrooms as a safe haven to sleep in if you are
allergic to your pet dog or cat. If you do have pets and follow these
four steps, you will have a much better chance of being able to keep the
pets that you love and live with. It is our hope that this report will
be helpful to you in creating a healthy, clean, more allergy free indoor
environment for your family or workplace employees!


A great resource for your HEPA air cleaner / air purifier needs can be
found at http://www.aircleaners.com/

This report is 100% free and you are welcome to reprint it on your
website to share with your readers as long as you include the resource
information links to the website{s} shown above.


This is a good report, although I think it downplays the quality of a
high voltage electrostatic system. Most, if not all electronic systems
emit some ozone. An Ozone generator emits positive and negative ions
and a negative ion generator emits negative, but can emit positive
charges if designed that way. An ozone generator will not cause
collection of dirt on nearby walls and tables and negative ion
generators do.

If no one is in the house, a whole house system can work to a large
degree, but if one moves about in any room, things get stirred around.

An Ozone generator is great for cleansing a room(s) when no living thing
is there. This can be done in homes and commercial establishments
at night or day depending on the situation. It does not take a long
time for the ozone to dissipate, and will leave a room smelling like
it was bleached.

g

Read the report! Electrostatic electronic air filters are only efficient
for a VERY short period of time! After a small amount of dust covers the
filter cell the dust will then pass right through the cell and put
back into your indoor air environment to BREATHE AGAIN AND REACT TO! You
can hear the dust passing through the filter cell as it snaps and pops
which is the arching of the dust as it hits and passes through the cell.
They have to be washed way to often to continue to operate properly.
Thats way a MUCH cheaper self charging electrostatic filter is a better
idea.

If you really want to keep your home cleaner, purchase quality HEPA air
cleaners and place them in the rooms or open areas that are your main
living spaces. A high quality HEPA air cleaner will exchange the air in
a bedroom area up to 15 times per hour. The cheap department store units
clean an average of 3 or so air exchanges per hour in a bedroom which is
not good enough at all as your A/C or heating system will contaminate
the room fater then the little air cleaner can clean the air.

Also a quality HEPA room air cleaner can do a good job exchanging the
air through their HEPA filters in open spaces up to 1000 square feet.

OZONE---- FORGET it! Unless you have a commercial fire or flood clean up
going on in an unoccupied area! OZONE-Ionizers are only good for smokers
as they quickly knock down the floating smoke and they get rid of the
smoke odors by the next day if operated all night. NO person with
allergies or asthma should have or needs any kind of ozone ionizer at
all! Because they don't filter the air at all and the ionizer will only
drop the dust and allergens ON YOU WHILE YOU SLEEP and on your
furniture! The Only Best Answer Is Owning QUALITY HEPA ROOM Air
Cleaners! Check out http://www.aircleaners.com for the best ones on the
market for the lowest prices. Oh Yeah! Free Shipping as well! Or call
them at Toll Free 1-888-578-7324





gs wrote:
Ecodude wrote:
gs wrote:
Ecodude wrote:
Dubious Dude wrote:
As a gift, I received a circular Honeywell air purifier, model
50100. It has a
"Lifetime HEPA Permanent Filter" which one is suppose to vacuum.
I'm trying to
make sense of this logic. When you vacuum the HEPA filter, you're
pulling the
fine particles away from the filter and spewing it everywhere via
the vacuum
cleaner. I'm sure there's some logic behind it, but it just isn't
all that
obvious right now. Insights are appreciated.
REAL HEPA filters are made from layered spun glass and they should
not be vacuumed. They need to be replaced when full. If you have to
wash the filter your taking the chance of mold or bacteria growth.
Don't trust Honeywell's off the wall claims! Also Honeywell HEPA
air cleaners have a VERY low air exchange rate per hour even in a
small bedroom sized area.

I never like HEPA filters, but they work well in disk drives. For
volume efficiency, use an electrostatic filter. I have used several
whole house
system filters on the furnace/air, and the best are the 3M but also
have lower thermal efficiency. You can also wash many of the fiber
electrostatic air filters, but the cardboard makes it difficult. If
they were made it out of plastic, you could easily clean them.

g

GS, You may want to read this accurate report on whole house air
cleaner systems to lean why they really don't work well. The Report is
long informative but well worth reading!


Whole House Air Cleaners Report / Why They Do Not Work!
This information, is brought to you by Absolute Air Cleaners and
Purifiers Inc.
As you search for that perfect air cleaner to protect your family from
dust, pet dander and other airborne allergens, you will run across
many different types of air cleaners, air purifiers, air filters and
air filtration systems. One of the most interesting and eye catching
products on the market is the Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Filtration
System. This report also includes Whole House Air Filters and Whole
House Air Purifiers. There are many of them on the market!

Unfortunately human nature often kicks into high gear when the
wonderful offer of a central whole house air cleaner is advertised as
a way of keeping your entire house clean with just one single gizmo!
THE FACT IS THESE AIR CLEANERS JUST CAN’T CLEAN A WHOLE HOUSE!

There are five types of air cleaning products that are advertised to
clean a whole house.

They a

Whole house HEPA air filtration bypass air cleaners
Whole house Electronic air cleaners
Whole house Self-Charging electrostatic air filters
Whole house Ultra-violet light systems
Whole house Portable ozone-ionizer air purifiers
This report will explain the truth about how each of these products
actually operate and what benefits they really do provide for you.
Also included are the proper steps to take for a clean indoor air
environment.

Myth #1. Whole house HEPA air cleaner / bypass systems - These
somewhat expensive systems are flawed in design from the beginning.
The idea behind these units is to pull a portion of the air stream
from the return side of your furnace or air conditioning system, clean
it and then return it into the supply side of the furnace or air
conditioning systems ductwork. Most of the time, it involves taking up
to 30% of the air from the return ductwork. The air is then cleaned
with a high efficiency filter such as a HEPA and/or carbon filter. The
cleaned air is then returned into the supply ductwork of the air
handling system (bypassing” the air handler unit). Such an air
cleaning system under this design poses many areas of failure. First
of all, you are assuming that the majority of the airborne
contaminants in your living space are drawn into the heating and or
cooling system. However, home heating/air conditioning systems are
designed to heat and cool. They are not designed to pull dust, dander
and allergens into a HEPA air cleaner from the narrow return ductwork
at far distances. Note that the great majority of homes have only one
air return per air conditioning system. So without having a means of
returning the air from each and every room to the air handler, the
overall effectiveness of these HEPA air cleaner systems is nullified.
This is because the majority of rooms will not be able to have dirty
air pulled from them. So the “whole house” air cleaner will only be
able to clean the dirty air that makes it into the return side of the
ductwork. This is a very limited amount! Secondly, in order for the
HEPA air cleaner to work at all, the fan for the HEPA air cleaner and
the fan for the air handler unit must run all of the time. THIS MEANS
HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS! Having both blower units running constantly uses
significantly more electricity than portable systems located in
individual rooms. Lastly, and more importantly, even in an ideal world
where the air from all over the house is making it back into the
return ductwork through multiple air returns, a bypass system is only
cleaning up to 30% of the return air because it is only receiving up
to 30% of the return air. This means, even if the HEPA air cleaner
unit is running at 100% efficiency for all contaminants, only 30% of
the entire air going through the return ductwork is actually being
cleaned. Therefore, when you look at the system as a whole, it is only
30% efficient. Plus the entire air return ductwork from the air vents
in the rooms to the HEPA air cleaner system will become filthy because
the air entering into the return ductwork is not being filtered!

Also, Whole House HEPA Air Cleaner Systems require expensive
pre-filter replacements to protect the even more expensive HEPA
filter! The bottom line here is that Central HEPA air cleaner types
that install into air conditioning / furnace systems cannot properly
clean the air in an entire whole house or building!

Myth #2. Whole house electronic air cleaners (Also Called
Electrostatic precipitators) - Electronic air cleaners are made to fit
into the air return side of the central air conditioning system or
furnace. They can only filter the air that is brought into them from
the air return duct or area that leads to the electronic air cleaner
unit. These units use electrically charged metal or fiber cells that
attract dust particles onto them. Unfortunately this old technology is
outdated and it does not work well! This is because after a light
amount of dust covers the surface of the charged cell grid, the rest
of the incoming dust and allergens will pass right through the air
cleaner and back into the indoor environment for people to breathe!
Also, Central Electronic Air Cleaners with Charged Collector Cell
Grids Produce Non-Adjustable Levels of Ozone! This can be an irritant
to people with asthma and lung problems! Since most homes and
buildings have only one central air return per system or zone, these
electronic air cleaners cannot pull dirty air from rooms or areas that
are more then a few feet away from the air return that is attached to
or leading to the electronic air cleaner. Major companies that produce
these electronic air cleaners are Honeywell, Trion and Aprilaire.
There is THERE IS NO WAY that central electronic air cleaners can pull
the dirty air from across the house or from the inside of bedrooms and
or offices that are away from the central air return area in your home
or building! They Are Not Whole House Air Cleaners!

Myth #3. Whole house self-charging electrostatic air filters -These
air filters are custom made to size to replace your existing throw
away air filters in your furnace or central air conditioning systems
air handler unit or air return. They are made from multiple layers of
poly propylene fiber which allow them to become electrically charged
when air flows through them. They can then grab dust and allergens
onto them like a magnet. These air filters are durable, washable,
reasonably priced and they can last for many years. They are wonderful
for keeping your air conditioning or heating system and ductwork clean
as they can catch and remove very small particles of dust and
allergens from the air in your home or building! However, just like
the less effective throw away filters, self charging electrostatic air
filters can only clean the air from the air handler unit or from the
air return area they are operating from! Self-charging electrostatic
air filters cannot pull the dirty air from across the house or from
the inside of bedrooms and or offices that are away from the central
air return area in your home or building! They Are Not Whole House Air
Filters!

Myth #4. Whole house ultra-violet (UV) light systems for central air
conditioning units - These ultra-violet light systems are installed
into air conditioning systems to kill mold and bacteria. They do not
remove dust, particulates or airborne allergens from the A/C system,
air ducts or from the indoor environment! These units are supposed to
be installed so the ultra-violet lights are shining onto the
evaporator coil on the air return intake side to prevent mold and
bacteria growth on the evaporator coil and surrounding area, yet many
of these units are installed improperly into areas of the air handler
or air plenum where they can not do much good. Beware of UV light
systems that produce ozone! Many of these UV light systems produce
ozone at levels that cannot be controlled! Too much ozone can be an
irritant to people with asthma and lung problems! I have experienced
ozone producing UV light systems that created so much ozone it burned
my eyes and throat. And I do not have asthma or any lung problems at
all! Some of these units are also produced with non-ozone producing UV
bulbs. However please note, if an air conditioning system is clean and
installed properly and it has a high quality self charging
electrostatic or pleated air filter in it to protect the air handler
and evaporator coil from dust, the chance of the evaporator coil and
the rest of the system becoming contaminated with dirt, mold and
bacteria will be greatly reduced. We recommend properly cleaning your
air conditioning system and duct work while installing an upgraded
quality air filter instead of a ultra-violet light system. Please know
that ultra-violet Light units for your air conditioning system are not
whole house air cleaners even though people will claim that they will
keep your entire home clean!

Myth# 5. Whole house Portable Ozone Ionizer air purifiers - Some air
purifiers include both needle point and radio wave ionizers that can
ionize the air in mutable rooms in your home or building. These air
purifiers produce negative ions that are sent into the air. Negative
ions work by attaching themselves to small floating particles in your
indoor air forcing the particles to quickly drop out of suspension and
then down to the ground or onto any surface below. These air purifiers
will drop smoke, dust, pollen and animal dander from the floating
indoor air environment and down to the surface below to be vacuumed.
However if your bedroom is in the area being ionized, floating
particles including allergens can drop onto you while sleeping in bed.
This can cause problems for those with allergies and asthma. Some of
these air purifiers also produce adjustable levels of ozone. Ozone is
that fresh smell that occurs after a thunderstorm when lightning cuts
through the oxygen splitting some of the oxygen in the air into ozone.
Ozone does a wonderful job of removing all kinds of odors such as
smoke odors, musty odors, pet odors, food odors, chemical odors, and
body odors. The ozone works by oxidizing the odors. However, since
ozone is an oxidizer it can be an irritant to those with asthma and
lung disease if turned up to high. So if you or a family member has
asthma or lung problems, ozone –ionizer air purifiers are not for you!
IF YOU’RE A SMOKER THEY REALLY DO A GREAT JOB OF QUICKLY REMOVING
FLOATING CIGARETTE SMOKE, CIGAR SMOKE AND ODORS FROM INDOOR
ENVIRONMENTS. Please remember that these air purifiers do not filter
the air and they are not whole house air cleaners even though people
often claim that they are!

THE ANSWER, What You Can Do For a Clean Indoor Environment

As explained above, there is no one single air cleaner or air purifier
system that will keep your entire home or building dust or allergen
free. If you have a central air conditioning or furnace system in your
home or building and you have the desire to keep it as dust and
allergen free as possible, follow the four steps below for a clean and
healthy indoor environment.

Keep you ducted air conditioning system or furnace clean and install a
quality self charging electrostatic air filter or pleated air filter
in the main air return or air handler unit to keep your system clean
for the future. If you desire to have your air ducts and air handler
unit properly cleaned visit the National Air Duct Cleaners Association
at http://www.nadca.com and interview some of the members in your area
so you can choose the right air duct cleaning company that will best
fit your needs.

Purchase and place a quality HEPA air cleaner or HEPA air purifier in
the most important areas of your home or building that need to be the
most dust or allergy free. Most people place HEPA air cleaners or HEPA
air purifiers in the bedrooms, family room and office area if there is
one. If you have a mold problem in your living space or if you need a
unit that will kill and reduce mold bacteria and viruses, make sure
you purchase a portable HEPA air cleaner or air purifier that includes
a non ozone producing ultra-violet light system. When choosing a
portable HEPA air cleaner or HEPA air purifier it is important to look
for brands and models that are quiet while producing the highest air
exchange rate per hour in any given sized room or area, at the lowest
aftermarket filter replacement cost. We feel that the highest quality
HEPA air cleaners/ air purifiers on the market are made by Austin Air,
TRACS, EZ Air and Bio-Net.

If possible replace all carpeting with ceramic tile or hardwood
floors. {Tile is best} New carpeting is loaded with toxic chemicals
that will outgas for a period of 2-3 years and old carpeting is often
loaded with dust and allergens that include molds, bacteria, dead
skin, animal dander and dust mite allergen. All of these problems are
major triggers for allergies and asthma! If the carpeting must stay,
VACUUM OFTEN! Use a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner that is sealed tight
so the fine dust does not blow back into your indoor environment while
you are vacuuming. Sweeping ceramic tile or hardwood floors is not the
best way to clean as it causes the dust and allergens to fly back into
the air. Vacuuming all surfaces with a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner is
the best way to go. We feel that the Airstorm HEPA vacuum cleaner is
the highest quality HEPA vacuum cleaner on the market.

Un-clutter your living space and keep it Clean. This is very
important! Also get rid of all feather pillows and wash all of your
bedding in HOT water as least once a week to limit dust and Dust Mite
allergen from building up. Dust Mite allergen is very reactive to
people with allergies and asthma. It must be reduced as much as
possible! If you have pets, do not allow them into your bedrooms to
spread their animal dander. Look at your bedrooms as a safe haven to
sleep in if you are allergic to your pet dog or cat. If you do have
pets and follow these four steps, you will have a much better chance
of being able to keep the pets that you love and live with. It is our
hope that this report will be helpful to you in creating a healthy,
clean, more allergy free indoor environment for your family or
workplace employees!


A great resource for your HEPA air cleaner / air purifier needs can be
found at http://www.aircleaners.com/

This report is 100% free and you are welcome to reprint it on your
website to share with your readers as long as you include the resource
information links to the website{s} shown above.


This is a good report, although I think it downplays the quality of a
high voltage electrostatic system. Most, if not all electronic systems
emit some ozone. An Ozone generator emits positive and negative ions
and a negative ion generator emits negative, but can emit positive
charges if designed that way. An ozone generator will not cause
collection of dirt on nearby walls and tables and negative ion
generators do.

If no one is in the house, a whole house system can work to a large
degree, but if one moves about in any room, things get stirred around.

An Ozone generator is great for cleansing a room(s) when no living thing
is there. This can be done in homes and commercial establishments
at night or day depending on the situation. It does not take a long
time for the ozone to dissipate, and will leave a room smelling like
it was bleached.

g

Ecodude wrote:
Read the report! Electrostatic electronic air filters are only efficient
for a VERY short period of time! After a small amount of dust covers the
filter cell the dust will then pass right through the cell and put
back into your indoor air environment to BREATHE AGAIN AND REACT TO! You
can hear the dust passing through the filter cell as it snaps and pops
which is the arching of the dust as it hits and passes through the cell.
They have to be washed way to often to continue to operate properly.
Thats way a MUCH cheaper self charging electrostatic filter is a better
idea.

I would disagree. True, the efficiency decreases with too much crud.
Some crud and dust actually improves efficiency since the particles
stick better to the allready present particles. The particles are
capable of charging to close to the actual plate voltage. I started to
build my own electrostatic filters after getting some ideas looking at
commercial units. I have spent much time playing with them, including
ion generators and Ozone generators. I have real time experience. I
don't need reports.

g

"Noon-Air" wrote in
:


"gs" wrote in message
...

Extensive snip here

FWIW, a *true* HEPA filter in a resi setting is a waste of
money....True HEPA filters get used in clean rooms and such.
THey are 95%+ efficient....in a resi setting, your gonna get a
whole lot more dust and dirt than a HEPA filter can handle just
by infiltration of outside air, and the system has to be
specially designed for HEPA filters.

I have to disagree just a little bit. My ex had a hard time
sleeping, especially during the fall and winter. She was always
waking up with a sore throat and bleary eyes. I bought a Sears
room-size HEPA filter and it really helped a lot. It even
disappeared the dust bunnies under the bed. The only drawback was
the filters. It would take a new one every couple of months, and
those suckers cost over $25 a piece (probably $50 by now). About a
year later I happened to run across the high-efficiency furnace
filters on sale at my local big box store and tried one. Man, did
that make a difference! The whole house had almost no dust, and
the HEPA filter in the bedroom unit would last for six months or
more. I did the same at my mom's house after I moved in to take
care of her after Dad died. I am sold!

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

tim wrote:
"Noon-Air" wrote in
:

"gs" wrote in message
...

Extensive snip here

FWIW, a *true* HEPA filter in a resi setting is a waste of
money....True HEPA filters get used in clean rooms and such.
THey are 95%+ efficient....in a resi setting, your gonna get a
whole lot more dust and dirt than a HEPA filter can handle just
by infiltration of outside air, and the system has to be
specially designed for HEPA filters.

I have to disagree just a little bit. My ex had a hard time
sleeping, especially during the fall and winter. She was always
waking up with a sore throat and bleary eyes. I bought a Sears
room-size HEPA filter and it really helped a lot. It even
disappeared the dust bunnies under the bed. The only drawback was
the filters. It would take a new one every couple of months, and
those suckers cost over $25 a piece (probably $50 by now). About a
year later I happened to run across the high-efficiency furnace
filters on sale at my local big box store and tried one. Man, did
that make a difference! The whole house had almost no dust, and
the HEPA filter in the bedroom unit would last for six months or
more. I did the same at my mom's house after I moved in to take
care of her after Dad died. I am sold!

Keep in mind, high efficiency is collection efficiency, not energy
efficiency. All furnaces should have indicators, or warnings for
too restrictive air flow., Some furnaces with variable speed can also
partly compensate for different filters.

greg