Plasma ball return path?
 

Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

--
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. -- US Air Force training manual.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

--
We used to have Empires run by Emperors.
Then Kingdoms run by Kings.
Now we have Countries.....

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

--
It is OK to let your mind go blank, but please turn off the sound.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

--
Reason to smile: Every 7 minutes of every day, someone in an aerobics class pulls a hamstring.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

Daniel

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:



Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown transformer.

--
She was as easy as the Daily Star crossword.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:



Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

--
A van carrying a dozen movie stunt men on the way to a film location in the mountains spun out of control on the icy road,
crashed through a guardrail, rolled down a 90-foot embankment, turned over, and burst into flames.
There were no injuries.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

--
The modest young lass had just purchased some lingerie and asked if she might have the sentence "If you can read this, you're too damned close" embroidered on her panties and bra.
"Yes madam," said the clerk. "I'm quite certain that could be done. Would you prefer block or script letters ?"
"Braille," she replied.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?


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(_______.._______)

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
.... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Daniel

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE output wire, to the spike in the ball.

--
Paddy is said to be shocked at finding out all his cows have Bluetongue.
"Be Jeysus!" he said, "I didn't even know they had mobile phones!"

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Daniel

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel wrote:

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

--
Confucius say: "People who make Confucius joke speak bad English."

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 22/04/14 04:23, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an
isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was
capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a
sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply
wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

If it is capacitive, it is capacitive. Did you read where I mentioned
you shoe acting as the dielectric of a capacitor??

Alternatively, the three leads out of your box could be...
1. the high tension lead,
2. the power supplies (low) voltage lead, and,
3. the common (earth) rail used by both the high tension supply and the
low tension supply!!

Daniel

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:51:38 +0100, Daniel wrote:

On 22/04/14 04:23, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was
capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a
sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply
wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

If it is capacitive, it is capacitive. Did you read where I mentioned
you shoe acting as the dielectric of a capacitor??

Yes I know. But the side of the capacitor connected to the HT supply is not visible.

Alternatively, the three leads out of your box could be...
1. the high tension lead,
2. the power supplies (low) voltage lead, and,
3. the common (earth) rail used by both the high tension supply and the
low tension supply!!

Perhaps.

--
I go fishing; I catch nothing. I go to orgies; I catch everything.

Plasma ball return path?
 

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an
isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

Plasma ball return path?
 

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

--
A patient tells the Doctor, "I've been going to a faith healer, but wasn't getting any better."
The Doctor smiled and said, "And what dumb advice did this phony give you?"
"He told me to come see you." replied the new patient.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

It makes pretty colours.

--
_ _ _ ___ ___. . ___. . .
|\ /| \ | | / | | __| |___|
| \/ | | | \___| | | | |
| | _|_ . | ___| ___| | |

__ ___. ___. ___. _ ___. _____
/ | __| / | / | / \ / | |
| | | \___| \___| /___\ \___| |
\__| ___| | | / \ / | |

___. . . ___ . . . . ___
/ | | | / \ \ / | /| |
\___| | | | | \ | / | |
/ | \__/ \___/ \ |/ | _|_

___. ___ _____ _____ . . ___ _ _
/ | / \ | | | /| / \ |\ /|
\___| | | | | | / | | | | \/ |
/ | \___/ | __|__ |/ | \___/ | |

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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull

wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

Plasma ball return path?
 

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull

wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

It makes pretty colours.

How can you tell when its round the back there?

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:51:20 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull

wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:













Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

What if it sits on your and breaks your neck?

--
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:51:20 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull

wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:













Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

Or a goat?!?
http://chickensintheroad.com/wp-cont.../dadmilk11.jpg

--
They say Confucius does his crosswords with a pen.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:58:40 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull

wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

It makes pretty colours.

How can you tell when its round the back there?

http://www.kinkyblogs.net/uploads/03...umiliation.jpg

--
Is it called a blow job because you inflate it with your mouth?

Plasma ball return path?
 

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Uncle Peter" wrote in message

Snip

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Daniel

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Uncle Peter" wrote in message

Snip

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

--
The sensible in the world are doomed to be frustrated by petty, officious idiots.

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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Uncle Peter" wrote in message

Snip

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Uncle Peter" wrote in message

Snip

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

--
It said, "Insert disk #3," but only two will fit!

Plasma ball return path?
 

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Uncle Peter" wrote in message

Snip

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that rappers
sing about.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:28:03 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


Snip



And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that rappers
sing about.

The more body hair you have the closer you are to a gorilla.

--
Mental Health Outsourcing -- I was depressed last night so I called Lifeline. I got a call centre in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.

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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:28:03 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 12:15:20 +0100, Daniel
wrote:

On 8/05/2014 6:51 AM, Ian Field wrote:


Snip



And you would know .... how, Ian?? ;-)

Ian mentions bums in every other post.

URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that rappers
sing about.

The more body hair you have the closer you are to a gorilla.

That's OK - you're a red-arsed monkey.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 08 May 2014 21:12:14 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:28:03 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...






URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that rappers
sing about.

The more body hair you have the closer you are to a gorilla.

That's OK - you're a red-arsed monkey.

Stop backpedalling.

--
Researchers have recently unearthed the text of the first transcontinental telegraph message. Reportedly, it reads
ENLARGE YOUR MALE MEMBER STOP GUARANTEED RESULTS STOP ...

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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 21:12:14 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:28:03 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:47:49 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...






URA bum - in both senses of the word.

Stop fantasising.

UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that
rappers
sing about.

The more body hair you have the closer you are to a gorilla.

That's OK - you're a red-arsed monkey.

Stop backpedalling.

There are various monkeys with bald arses - you could be any one of them.

Plasma ball return path?
 

On Thu, 08 May 2014 22:06:55 +0100, Ian Field wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 21:12:14 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 May 2014 20:28:03 +0100, Ian Field
wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
...








UR not even a hairy bottom - more like the "lilly white ass" that
rappers
sing about.

The more body hair you have the closer you are to a gorilla.

That's OK - you're a red-arsed monkey.

Stop backpedalling.

There are various monkeys with bald arses - you could be any one of them.

I said body not arse. Why do you always focus on the arse?

--
Where would we be without rhetorical questions?