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Trigger signal from sine wave
Hi all.
I want to synchronize a laser pulse with an AC current (only about 1kHz) source that unfortunately doesn't have a sync output. For the laser pulse I need a good trigger signal, which up to now I have generated with an oscilloscope that has a trigger output. But this signal is not very good, probably it's 'cause the scope is not the best one. So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. Thanks for your help! Alex ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:15:38 +0200, "Alexander Frey"
wrote: Hi all. I want to synchronize a laser pulse with an AC current (only about 1kHz) source that unfortunately doesn't have a sync output. For the laser pulse I need a good trigger signal, which up to now I have generated with an oscilloscope that has a trigger output. But this signal is not very good, probably it's 'cause the scope is not the best one. So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. --- If you can't find anything and you're not good at building stuff, I'll be happy to build something for you that does just what you want for a reasonable price. Email me if you're interested. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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Hash: SHA1 Alexander Frey wrote: [snip] So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. [snip] Half-wave rectifier + Schmitt trigger? Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDE6zf6ZGQ8LKA8nwRAvYoAJ4mgqoi1hgQ3g+ZsModhC kYsGH47wCfaPMO rg2Dfo0fNKXeV4JOKpiAwUE= =CpOW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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In article , Alexander Frey wrote:
Hi all. I want to synchronize a laser pulse with an AC current (only about 1kHz) So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point. Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. -- Bye. Jasen |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:13:23 +1200, Jasen Betts
wrote: In article , Alexander Frey wrote: Hi all. I want to synchronize a laser pulse with an AC current (only about 1kHz) So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point. Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. --- Got a clue as to how to do it? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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Am Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:48:33 +0200 schrieb Chris Head
: [...] Half-wave rectifier + Schmitt trigger? Ok. A google search on schmitt triggers finally turns up the thing I've been looking for. And the circuit actually seems pretty simple so that even I probably could do it. Thanks, Alex ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Am Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:13:23 +0200 schrieb Jasen Betts
: In article , Alexander Frey wrote: Hi all. I want to synchronize a laser pulse with an AC current (only about 1kHz) So my question is, how do I generate a good trigger signal from a sine signal with an amplitude about 10V-50V? It seems a pretty simple task, but up to now I haven't found any device that does this job. first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point. Actually, I need the trigger signal to drive a digital delay generator that himself makes a trigger pulse with a variable phase to the AC. With this pulse the laser is fired, so that I can adjust the time the laser fires on a sample with respect to a current flowing through the sample. So it really doesn't matter on which point of the sine wave I trigger, because i can reach every phase position with the delay generator. But the best point o trigger on would probably be one on the rising/falling slope, rather than the tip of the wave I guess. As I said in another post I'll try the Schmitt trigger curcuit. good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. Oops, I just ordered two hundred pounds of plumbers solder on ebay because it was less expensive than the other type. Was that a bad idea? Thanks folks, Alex ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Alexander Frey" schreef in bericht news Am Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:13:23 +0200 schrieb Jasen Betts : snip good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. Oops, I just ordered two hundred pounds of plumbers solder on ebay because it was less expensive than the other type. Was that a bad idea? Not terrible, you can always another career if you like, for the first few years you have enough Pb. Something just hit me, it's something called RoHS Especially for a new design it might be a good idea to keep that in mind. It hit me to hard I can't get it out of my mind. But don't be sad, it just needs some more solder practice Thanks folks, Alex Good Luck, Alexander |
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In article , John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:13:23 +1200, Jasen Betts wrote: first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. Got a clue as to how to do it? A few, but I know you're the expert here... I only do electronics for fun. something like this could be a start +V --+---- | | +-----[10K]--+ | | |\ | ----[1K]-)--+-|+\ | in | | -------+---||-- ---0V \ +-|-/ out /-+ |/ 0V ---- \ | -V----+--- Bye. Jasen |
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In article , Alexander Frey wrote:
Am Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:13:23 +0200 schrieb Jasen Betts : first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point. Actually, I need the trigger signal to drive a digital delay generator that himself makes a trigger pulse with a variable phase to the AC. With this pulse the laser is fired, so that I can adjust the time the laser fires on a sample with respect to a current flowing through the sample. So it really doesn't matter on which point of the sine wave I trigger, because i can reach every phase position with the delay generator. But the best point o trigger on would probably be one on the rising/falling slope, rather than the tip of the wave I guess. As I said in another post I'll try the Schmitt trigger curcuit. if that 10-50V ac has an unstable amplitude some sort of schmitt circuit with a variable offset to allow you to get it to trigger on the zero crossing (in one direction) may probably help you to match the phase better... -- Bye. Jasen |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:31:34 +1200, Jasen Betts
wrote: In article , John Fields wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:13:23 +1200, Jasen Betts wrote: first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point Neither in google, nor at the major test equipment suppliers. I am also not very good at soldering, though if the circuit is very simple and the risk to screw it is not very high I might try it. good quality solder, and a clean soldering iron will always help stay away from plumbers solder something can probably be done with an op-amp chip and a few other parts. Got a clue as to how to do it? A few, but I know you're the expert here... I only do electronics for fun. something like this could be a start +V --+---- | | +-----[10K]--+ | | |\ | ----[1K]-)--+-|+\ | in | | -------+---||-- ---0V \ +-|-/ out /-+ |/ 0V ---- \ | -V----+--- --- A misguided start. 1. You haven't provided any attenuation of the input signal. It can go to +/- 50V, remember? 2. If the amplitude of the input voltage goes beyond the supply rails: a. The pot will only be effective in selecting input voltages between the rails. b. The comparator could fry. 3. The input impedance is way too low. 4. You've got way too much hysteresis in there. 5. Take that "expert" crack and stick it up your ass, you arrogant little prick. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:38:45 +1200, Jasen Betts
wrote: In article , Alexander Frey wrote: Am Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:13:23 +0200 schrieb Jasen Betts : first off which part othe wave do you want to trigger on. the crest (maximum voltage), zero crossing (when the voltage changes from positive to negative), or some other point. Actually, I need the trigger signal to drive a digital delay generator that himself makes a trigger pulse with a variable phase to the AC. With this pulse the laser is fired, so that I can adjust the time the laser fires on a sample with respect to a current flowing through the sample. So it really doesn't matter on which point of the sine wave I trigger, because i can reach every phase position with the delay generator. But the best point o trigger on would probably be one on the rising/falling slope, rather than the tip of the wave I guess. As I said in another post I'll try the Schmitt trigger curcuit. if that 10-50V ac has an unstable amplitude some sort of schmitt circuit with a variable offset to allow you to get it to trigger on the zero crossing (in one direction) may probably help you to match the phase better... --- Why not just say, "Use a PIC."? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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In article , John Fields wrote:
if that 10-50V ac has an unstable amplitude some sort of schmitt circuit with a variable offset to allow you to get it to trigger on the zero crossing (in one direction) may probably help you to match the phase better... --- Why not just say, "Use a PIC."? I wouldn't say that, an AVR maybe, but I have no erperience with PICs I was thinking more along the lines of a potentiometer between +V and -V wity the output to one of the op-amp inputs so that one of the switching points of the schmitt could be positioned at 0V... Bye. Jasen |
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In article , John Fields wrote:
something like this could be a start +V --+---- | | +-----[10K]--+ | | |\ | ----[1K]-)--+-|+\ | in | | -------+---||-- ---0V \ +-|-/ out /-+ |/ 0V ---- \ | -V----+--- --- A misguided start. 1. You haven't provided any attenuation of the input signal. It can go to +/- 50V, remember? Actually I had forgotten while writing that. 3. The input impedance is way too low. yeah. 4. You've got way too much hysteresis in there. 1:10 is too much? - I guess it depends on the amplitude of the input signal. 5. Take that "expert" crack and stick it up your ass, you arrogant little prick. I think you're selling yourslf short. (It wasn't intended as a crack) -- Bye. Jasen |
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:59:48 +1200, Jasen Betts
wrote: In article , John Fields wrote: 5. Take that "expert" crack and stick it up your ass, you arrogant little prick. I think you're selling yourslf short. (It wasn't intended as a crack) --- I never sell myself short, and I'm sensitive to slurs, which your statement came across as. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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