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Michael Black[_2_] February 15th 17 12:20 AM

Why should someone replace ALL the capacitors on old Tubeequipment?
 
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 15/02/17 08:52, Michael Black wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
I recently saw a notice that Rockwell Collins has stopped production
of Mechanical Filters.

Many of the newer radios are starting to use electronic circuits or more
likely software fro the filtering now.

Many newer radios do not have much RF circuity in them, mainly
microprocessors doing most of the work. This trend started about a
dozen years ago and is progressing more and more every year.
Instead of being limiated to just 2 or 3 filters (that often cost around
$ 100 each) you just turn a knob or move the mouse and set up any type
of filtering you want.

That's why in the past, some receivers went down to a 50KHz IF, if you
wanted a selection of filters, it was cheaper using LC circuits down
there than a bunch of crystal or mechanical filters at some higher
frequency.


So long as there is nothing 100KHz away from your desired signal,
and no two signals spaced 50KHz apart that intermodulate in your
RF front end. Imaging is a killer. Double conversion can help, but
nothing beats RF selectivity.

And nobody was dropping from HF to 50KHz, except in the very early days of
the superhet. SOme of the receivers were modern enough that they had a
"roofing filter" in the HF range or even above it.

Some of the modern receivers are taking advantage of the availability
of devices with much better linearity and headroom, which reduces
the intermod - and they're using I/Q conversion to defeat imaging -
but they cannot achieve the performance of a good communications
receiver.

There's nothing magic about using phasing to do conversion and getting rid
of the image. It was certainly talked about in microwave circles fifty
years back. But nobody seemed to apply it to low frequencies, though the
RF phasing network probably put some limits on it. But most hobbyists
thought in terms of the phasing method for generating SSB, and were unable
to make the leap to downconversion.

The Drake R8, did it come out about 2000? used the phasing method to go
from an IF around 45MHz, straight down to 50KHz. Yes, the ultimate
selectivity wasn't right after the first mixer, but you weren't likely to
get an SSB-width filter at 45MHz either, so you'd still need to
downcovernt


Software hacks love SDR because it makes them feel like RF experts,
but they're not.

I'm more interested in a hybrid, the variable selectivity and ability to
do different types of demodulation, rather than a magic IC that pretends
traditional RF issues are no longer a problem.

Michael


Michael A. Terrell February 15th 17 06:01 AM

Why should someone replace ALL the capacitors on old Tubeequipment?
 
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 14:39:13 -0500, Nick Danger
wrote:

On 2/4/2017 12:13 PM, Michael Black wrote:

And with names like "Black Beauty" and "Orange Drop", who would question
at the time that they weren't good products?

Michael


I know from years of personal experience that "Black Beauties" were
*notoriously* bad. However, I always thought the Orange Drops were
pretty good. Not so?


Back in the mid 60's into the 70s, I was told the black beauties were
one of the better caps made. But after reading a lot of websites about
caps, it now appears they have proven to be bad.



They were good when they were first introduced, but the plastic
casings didn't hold up to their long life hype. If you look at a Black
Beauty, they soldered the leads to the tubes used to fill the housing
with PCB based transformer oil. That sealed the housing but the molded
plastic appeared to be incompatible with the oil used. The construction
was detailed in some early ads for the Black Beauties.


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They don't get mad.

They don't get even.

They go for over unity! ;-)


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