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Hello all. I've never posted a question about a TV problem before so
I'm not sure if I have the right newsgroup(s) or not but perhaps someone can help me. I'm a US serviceman (USAF) stationed overseas in Turkey right now and it's rather difficult to talk to an authorized repairman. I have a Mitsubishi 40" TV MITCS40505 ... it's about 7.5 years old with a typical glass picture tube. Problems: (1) The upper-right and upper-left corners are discolored; when I have a no-input blue screen, the corners are a very bright pinkish purple. (2) Also, text is becoming somewhat difficult to read .... blurry. Note we've never played games on it. My questions: (1) Are these two problems repairable? (2) Is it something I can attempt myself? (I was an electronics technician for 6 years working on communications/navigation systems ... but no TV repair experience). Regarding the blurry text problem, I was hoping I could just obtain a test pattern and align the colors/pixels with a plastic screwdriver ... ? Thanks for your patience and your assistance. Sincerely, Rich (Please don't reply via e-mail ... it's a dead address) |
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If this set was transported from North America, or another country, this
effect can occur from the earth's magnetic declination at the new location. TV's and monitors have their CRT aligned to match the declination of the area where it is to be used. Naturally other magnetic field influences can throw the purity off as well. You can try doing a manual degaussing of the tube, with a manual TV degaussing coil. But, the internal one should be able to handle this. Other things that can throw the CRT alignment out or damage the CRT, is if the set was struck very hard during transport, or any adjustments moved from vibration. You would need the proper TV test generator that can put up a blank raster, the convergence grating pattern, and the full screen R, G, B raster for doing purity set-ups would be a plus. This is essential if you are going to touch the purity and convergence set-ups. As for doing the alignments, this is involved, and without the proper training and practice, you can wind up badly messing up the set! The set-ups require the combination of the positioning of the deflection yoke, fore or aft, yoke rotation, and using the ring magnets on the neck of the tube to achieve proper picture levelling, purity, and convergence. There are also some adhesive slip magnets that are inserted between the tube bell and deflection yoke for adjusting the corner convergence. These are also very critical to set up. I have seen people get in to these adjustments, and end up having to have a tech come over to their place for an hour or two to get it back again. Not all of them are very good at this type of set-up. The most inner ring magnets near to the yoke, are usually for the purity centering. The next two are usually the R/B align, and the next two are the B/G align. The combination of the spread of the rings, relative positions, and the total position of each group will determine the convergence relationship of the electron beams. These rings do interact on each other to some degree, and this is where it gets very hairy to adjust well. It takes a lot of practice to do it accurately. To describe a TV CRT alignment procedure would be a bit much to do over an email. Much of it is the skill and experience to do it. Another difficulty with these sets, is that most everything is glued or locked down with a type of lock-paint. You would have to use some solvent to thin this down in order to be able to move the adjustments. After adjusting, they have to be re-locked down again to prevent them from moving on their own. If you brought this set from another location, and are planning to bring it back, don't touch the adjustments. The set may most likely come back to its original alignment when returned, providing that nothing was damaged. The armed forces use many types of TV monitoring equipment. I am sure that they have some service people that are familiar with these types of set-ups. Or, do the ship everything out to another location for detailed servicing? -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= "Rich" wrote in message om... Hello all. I've never posted a question about a TV problem before so I'm not sure if I have the right newsgroup(s) or not but perhaps someone can help me. I'm a US serviceman (USAF) stationed overseas in Turkey right now and it's rather difficult to talk to an authorized repairman. I have a Mitsubishi 40" TV MITCS40505 ... it's about 7.5 years old with a typical glass picture tube. Problems: (1) The upper-right and upper-left corners are discolored; when I have a no-input blue screen, the corners are a very bright pinkish purple. (2) Also, text is becoming somewhat difficult to read .... blurry. Note we've never played games on it. My questions: (1) Are these two problems repairable? (2) Is it something I can attempt myself? (I was an electronics technician for 6 years working on communications/navigation systems ... but no TV repair experience). Regarding the blurry text problem, I was hoping I could just obtain a test pattern and align the colors/pixels with a plastic screwdriver ... ? Thanks for your patience and your assistance. Sincerely, Rich (Please don't reply via e-mail ... it's a dead address) |
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Adding to Jerry's reply, two other things; Mitsubishi has two small slide
switches, either in front or back panel, labeled "Strength" and Polarity"; try different settings of these switches; in addition, make sure there are no large metal objects near the set, front or back. I had the hardest time trying to get pure screen on one of these in customer's house, until we figured out there was a metal pole buried in the wall behind the set. |
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I forgot about these slide switches! This was for the orientation of the
set in relation to the N - E and S - W, going from memory. This was somewhat effective. The system for this compensation is fairly complex. -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= "BWL" wrote in message ... Adding to Jerry's reply, two other things; Mitsubishi has two small slide switches, either in front or back panel, labeled "Strength" and Polarity"; try different settings of these switches; in addition, make sure there are no large metal objects near the set, front or back. I had the hardest time trying to get pure screen on one of these in customer's house, until we figured out there was a metal pole buried in the wall behind the set. |
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That was it! I switched the Polarity from "N" past "Neutral" to "S"
and it fixed the pinkish-purple splotches! The colors are more bright and vivid too. Hopefully, when we return to the states, I'll be able to remember how to get rid of those pinkish-purple splotches that will be sure to reappear. ;-) Funny, I'm a bit of a techie, and I thought I knew my TV well, but I apparently didn't. I hadn't used those switches before and just learned to ignore them. Now I just need the alignment and I'll be good to go! Many thanks to all of you guys... Sincerely, Rich (BWL) wrote in message ... Adding to Jerry's reply, two other things; Mitsubishi has two small slide switches, either in front or back panel, labeled "Strength" and Polarity"; try different settings of these switches; in addition, make sure there are no large metal objects near the set, front or back. I had the hardest time trying to get pure screen on one of these in customer's house, until we figured out there was a metal pole buried in the wall behind the set. |
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Jerry, thanks kindly for your detailed post. You've given me hope
that it's going to be okay. Thanks to the detail in your post, I won't be trying this myself. I thought it might be simple to get a test pattern DVD and tweak the alignment screws with an alignment tool myself, but your post helps me understand this wouldn't be wise. The problem only started when it left the U.S. ... never would have thought that magnetic declination could have been a factor. Very interesting! The idea of having a Turkish technician in there scares the hell out of me given all of our experiences with Turkish technicians over the past 6 months ... no ... we certainly won't be doing that. We'll have to wait until we come back to the states ... Thanks again! Rich "Jerry G." wrote in message ... If this set was transported from North America, or another country, this effect can occur from the earth's magnetic declination at the new location. TV's and monitors have their CRT aligned to match the declination of the area where it is to be used. Naturally other magnetic field influences can throw the purity off as well. You can try doing a manual degaussing of the tube, with a manual TV degaussing coil. But, the internal one should be able to handle this. Other things that can throw the CRT alignment out or damage the CRT, is if the set was struck very hard during transport, or any adjustments moved from vibration. You would need the proper TV test generator that can put up a blank raster, the convergence grating pattern, and the full screen R, G, B raster for doing purity set-ups would be a plus. This is essential if you are going to touch the purity and convergence set-ups. As for doing the alignments, this is involved, and without the proper training and practice, you can wind up badly messing up the set! The set-ups require the combination of the positioning of the deflection yoke, fore or aft, yoke rotation, and using the ring magnets on the neck of the tube to achieve proper picture levelling, purity, and convergence. There are also some adhesive slip magnets that are inserted between the tube bell and deflection yoke for adjusting the corner convergence. These are also very critical to set up. I have seen people get in to these adjustments, and end up having to have a tech come over to their place for an hour or two to get it back again. Not all of them are very good at this type of set-up. The most inner ring magnets near to the yoke, are usually for the purity centering. The next two are usually the R/B align, and the next two are the B/G align. The combination of the spread of the rings, relative positions, and the total position of each group will determine the convergence relationship of the electron beams. These rings do interact on each other to some degree, and this is where it gets very hairy to adjust well. It takes a lot of practice to do it accurately. To describe a TV CRT alignment procedure would be a bit much to do over an email. Much of it is the skill and experience to do it. Another difficulty with these sets, is that most everything is glued or locked down with a type of lock-paint. You would have to use some solvent to thin this down in order to be able to move the adjustments. After adjusting, they have to be re-locked down again to prevent them from moving on their own. If you brought this set from another location, and are planning to bring it back, don't touch the adjustments. The set may most likely come back to its original alignment when returned, providing that nothing was damaged. The armed forces use many types of TV monitoring equipment. I am sure that they have some service people that are familiar with these types of set-ups. Or, do the ship everything out to another location for detailed servicing? -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= |
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When I was doing service work on these, we had so many people mess with
their sets and always make them worse, thus increasing the cost to correct it. The newer sets mostly all have built in service set-ups. Many people are finding out how to get in to this mode, and really messing their sets up. Many of these internal set-ups require external instrumentation, and cannot be properly done by sight. The service set-ups are not user adjustments, and thus may not have a safe limit of range. I have seen people lock their sets out of operation so badly that the uPC and EPROM had to be changed for a new one that was factory cantered. Then the complete factory set-up had to be redone. This is costly for the parts and labour. If the tech is not very experienced at the particular model of set, the set-ups may not be as good as the one from the factory. Many of the smaller service centres don't have their instrumentation recalibrated and re-certified annually, and thus their accuracy for critical adjustments may also not be as good. I have seen sets that had problems due to part failures on them, and the customer went in to the service mode to try to fix it. They only compounded the problem. The tech has to then find a component fault on a mal adjusted set. This ends up costing a lot more in time. -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= "Rich" wrote in message om... Jerry, thanks kindly for your detailed post. You've given me hope that it's going to be okay. Thanks to the detail in your post, I won't be trying this myself. I thought it might be simple to get a test pattern DVD and tweak the alignment screws with an alignment tool myself, but your post helps me understand this wouldn't be wise. The problem only started when it left the U.S. ... never would have thought that magnetic declination could have been a factor. Very interesting! The idea of having a Turkish technician in there scares the hell out of me given all of our experiences with Turkish technicians over the past 6 months ... no ... we certainly won't be doing that. We'll have to wait until we come back to the states ... Thanks again! Rich "Jerry G." wrote in message ... If this set was transported from North America, or another country, this effect can occur from the earth's magnetic declination at the new location. TV's and monitors have their CRT aligned to match the declination of the area where it is to be used. Naturally other magnetic field influences can throw the purity off as well. You can try doing a manual degaussing of the tube, with a manual TV degaussing coil. But, the internal one should be able to handle this. Other things that can throw the CRT alignment out or damage the CRT, is if the set was struck very hard during transport, or any adjustments moved from vibration. You would need the proper TV test generator that can put up a blank raster, the convergence grating pattern, and the full screen R, G, B raster for doing purity set-ups would be a plus. This is essential if you are going to touch the purity and convergence set-ups. As for doing the alignments, this is involved, and without the proper training and practice, you can wind up badly messing up the set! The set-ups require the combination of the positioning of the deflection yoke, fore or aft, yoke rotation, and using the ring magnets on the neck of the tube to achieve proper picture levelling, purity, and convergence. There are also some adhesive slip magnets that are inserted between the tube bell and deflection yoke for adjusting the corner convergence. These are also very critical to set up. I have seen people get in to these adjustments, and end up having to have a tech come over to their place for an hour or two to get it back again. Not all of them are very good at this type of set-up. The most inner ring magnets near to the yoke, are usually for the purity centering. The next two are usually the R/B align, and the next two are the B/G align. The combination of the spread of the rings, relative positions, and the total position of each group will determine the convergence relationship of the electron beams. These rings do interact on each other to some degree, and this is where it gets very hairy to adjust well. It takes a lot of practice to do it accurately. To describe a TV CRT alignment procedure would be a bit much to do over an email. Much of it is the skill and experience to do it. Another difficulty with these sets, is that most everything is glued or locked down with a type of lock-paint. You would have to use some solvent to thin this down in order to be able to move the adjustments. After adjusting, they have to be re-locked down again to prevent them from moving on their own. If you brought this set from another location, and are planning to bring it back, don't touch the adjustments. The set may most likely come back to its original alignment when returned, providing that nothing was damaged. The armed forces use many types of TV monitoring equipment. I am sure that they have some service people that are familiar with these types of set-ups. Or, do the ship everything out to another location for detailed servicing? -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= |
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![]() "Rich" wrote in message om... Hello all. I've never posted a question about a TV problem before so I'm not sure if I have the right newsgroup(s) or not but perhaps someone can help me. I'm a US serviceman (USAF) stationed overseas in Turkey right now and it's rather difficult to talk to an authorized repairman. I have a Mitsubishi 40" TV MITCS40505 ... it's about 7.5 years old with a typical glass picture tube. Problems: (1) The upper-right and upper-left corners are discolored; when I have a no-input blue screen, the corners are a very bright pinkish purple. (2) Also, text is becoming somewhat difficult to read ... blurry. Note we've never played games on it. Magnets placed near the set can cause this. Many things could be magnetic, such as candlesticks, bookends, statues and loudspeakers. The effect sometimes remains after the magnetic objects are removed, so the use of a manual degaussing coil may be worth trying. One other thing, the magnetic variation thing: try rotating the set a quarter turn. If that clears it up, putting the set against another wall may be an option. Yes, I know the thing weighs a ton; my 35" is too much for me to lift alone. Blurry, too, eh? Can't figure that out. John USN (Ret.) |
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