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On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Recheck pin function before jumping to conclusions. Right; now re-checked. DC measurments proved (unsurprisingly) too close together so I re-tested using 100khz instead. These are the impedances WRT ground of the output taps of the long winding in the order they actually come out of the transformer: GND, 0.17ohms, 0.17ohms, 0.26ohms, 0.28ohms, 3.7ohms, 3.8ohms. So this doesn't seem to tally up with the schematic. Or does it? I need a pint of strong coffee to kick-start my head on this one. :-/ Anyway, later... The transformer secondaries go (on the left side viewed from the top of the transformer). 1.5kV 1.0kV Gap/no pin HV Common 60 60 12 12 6 6 0 As others have pointed out this PSU will not run happy without a load and I don't know what would be suitable. When I worked on these I always just left the psu connected to the scope. Lets face it, the scopes been turned on at some point with the psu connected so its not going to do much more damage and at least you will know the loading is correct. The EHT multipliers on these break down internally on these. In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? |
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All noted, thank you, gentlemen. I'll have to check those tips out
tomorrow or a divorce will be in the offing. Until I report back tomorrow then, thanks... |
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On 2/20/2016 11:52 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
All noted, thank you, gentlemen. I'll have to check those tips out tomorrow or a divorce will be in the offing. Until I report back tomorrow then, thanks... I managed to find a PM3264 PSU to try out. Unloaded it squeals as expected so I tried a makeshift load with what I had lying around, 6 x 470R 5Watt w/w resistors. You can pull one of the connectors out of the scope for a connection. (See photos) Just for fun (and I'm running this off an isolation transformer), pull V1812 and scope T2 with T1 as probe ground. you should see a nice drive waveform for a few seconds and you can check the frequency is 20KHz. Incidentally the core on L1806 on this board was loose (came apart) and also caused squealing but of a different note. If you want me to take any readings let me know, nothing too time consuming though ![]() Photos of load (It gets hot so take care) https://www.flickr.com/photos/404665.../shares/H24830 https://www.flickr.com/photos/404665.../shares/J18jga |
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:45:34 -0500, JC wrote:
Have you posted this before on another thread related to this? Either you have or it's deja vu. Sorry if you did, I didn't note it properly. I managed to find a PM3264 PSU to try out. Unloaded it squeals as expected so I tried a makeshift load with what I had lying around, 6 x 470R 5Watt w/w resistors. You can pull one of the connectors out of the scope for a connection. (See photos) Yeah, those Stocko connectors. On another Philips manual I have for a different scope, they actually publish the proper values for a dummy load which would be really helpful to have on the current problem I face. Just for fun (and I'm running this off an isolation transformer), pull V1812 and scope T2 with T1 as probe ground. you should see a nice drive waveform for a few seconds and you can check the frequency is 20KHz. Not sure why you say pull V1812, but here's the waveform I got between those two points when I did this test a few weeks ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ But then it goes downhill. Here's V1812's C/E junction: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ And the B/E junction of the main chopper transistor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ Not surprising it doesn't work properly with control voltages like that!!! |
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On 2/21/2016 9:34 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:45:34 -0500, JC wrote: Have you posted this before on another thread related to this? Either you have or it's deja vu. Sorry if you did, I didn't note it properly. I managed to find a PM3264 PSU to try out. Unloaded it squeals as expected so I tried a makeshift load with what I had lying around, 6 x 470R 5Watt w/w resistors. You can pull one of the connectors out of the scope for a connection. (See photos) Yeah, those Stocko connectors. On another Philips manual I have for a different scope, they actually publish the proper values for a dummy load which would be really helpful to have on the current problem I face. Just for fun (and I'm running this off an isolation transformer), pull V1812 and scope T2 with T1 as probe ground. you should see a nice drive waveform for a few seconds and you can check the frequency is 20KHz. Not sure why you say pull V1812, but here's the waveform I got between those two points when I did this test a few weeks ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ But then it goes downhill. Here's V1812's C/E junction: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ And the B/E junction of the main chopper transistor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/128859...n/photostream/ Not surprising it doesn't work properly with control voltages like that!!! Pulling V1812 lets you see the clean output from the driver chip without all the crap feedback from the transformers. Your frequency looks good. I got the same crap and ringing/distortion on my PSU without a load. Put a load on it. switchers don't work off load. |
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:36:18 -0500, JC wrote:
The transformer secondaries go (on the left side viewed from the top of the transformer). 1.5kV 1.0kV Gap/no pin HV Common 60 60 12 12 6 6 0 Well on that basis there may be nothing wrong after all. As others have pointed out this PSU will not run happy without a load and I don't know what would be suitable. When I worked on these I always just left the psu connected to the scope. Lets face it, the scopes been turned on at some point with the psu connected so its not going to do much more damage and at least you will know the loading is correct. The EHT multipliers on these break down internally on these. It's not possible to test this board with it connected to the scope. On this model, it slots inside the two main signal boards which make access under proper, full working conditions impossible. Just *another* obstacle I've faced with this repair. The EHT multiplier has been totally disconnected all through my tests except where explicitly stated otherwise. In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? I like your thinking! But no, the one nearest the bridge is a BY208-1000 alright, the other one to the side of it is a BY134. They both tested fine out of circuit. |
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On 2/21/2016 8:36 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:36:18 -0500, JC wrote: It's not possible to test this board with it connected to the scope. On this model, it slots inside the two main signal boards which make access under proper, full working conditions impossible. Just *another* obstacle I've faced with this repair. The EHT multiplier has been totally disconnected all through my tests except where explicitly stated otherwise. Hi, Its been some time since I worked on these but I'm pretty sure we ran these with the board out, turned round so you can get the connectors on and I guess without the HT connected. Alternately put a suitable load on the PSU. In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? I like your thinking! But no, the one nearest the bridge is a BY208-1000 alright, the other one to the side of it is a BY134. They both tested fine out of circuit. That might be one problem, the sine voltage around T1801 is 800v, your BY134 is a 600V diode. Also HV diodes can go reverse leaky, try a high ohmsmeter on it (10-20 meg range). Shouldn't be any reverse leakage. I guess you saw my next post on this? Try a load on the board before you do any more work. It will tell you if the PSU runs silent or not under load. The one I tried was screaming like heck then silent with a load. |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 09:46:52 -0500, JC wrote:
That might be one problem, the sine voltage around T1801 is 800v, your BY134 is a 600V diode. Also HV diodes can go reverse leaky, try a high ohmsmeter on it (10-20 meg range). Shouldn't be any reverse leakage. Will a DVM suffice or should I do this with my faithful old analogue AVO? I guess you saw my next post on this? Try a load on the board before you do any more work. It will tell you if the PSU runs silent or not under load. The one I tried was screaming like heck then silent with a load. You're a late-comer to this party, so you will be unaware that even when tested under full working conditions with all the loads plugged in, this twitcher/switcher still hisses and the 20 Ohm power resistor R1814 (just below right from the chopper transistor on the schematic) quickly starts to burn up. I take your point on the dummy load, though. I must rig one up before doing any more live testing. |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 13:36:49 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
wrote: snip In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? I like your thinking! But no, the one nearest the bridge is a BY208-1000 alright, the other one to the side of it is a BY134. They both tested fine out of circuit. The BY134 is a lower frequency part with 2uS recovery time and is probably unsuited to replacement of BY208-1000 in any of the snubber or conversion positions indicated on the schematic primary. It should be soft recovery, medium speed (200-600nS) avalanche-rated part with a minimum 800Vprv. I'd avoid the use of anything advertised as 'ultrafast' (ie UF4007), as this circuit may need a modest recovery time in order to reduce power loss and EMI, but they could be used temporarily in troubleshooting. RL |
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On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote:
On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Recheck pin function before jumping to conclusions. Right; now re-checked. DC measurments proved (unsurprisingly) too close together so I re-tested using 100khz instead. These are the impedances WRT ground of the output taps of the long winding in the order they actually come out of the transformer: GND, 0.17ohms, 0.17ohms, 0.26ohms, 0.28ohms, 3.7ohms, 3.8ohms. So this doesn't seem to tally up with the schematic. Or does it? I need a pint of strong coffee to kick-start my head on this one. :-/ Anyway, later... ... ... In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? Well, if that is true then beware! V1808, V1809 and V1811 are supposed to be very fast. Any slow (more than a microsecond) diode in these positions will likely cause symptoms akin to a heavy overload. Particularly V1811, if replaced with any 1N400x, is likely to render the energy recovery circuit around L1806 as good as inoperative, thereby dumping the entire energy from the switcher harmonics into R1814, which will cause it to overheat fast. Please recheck L1806 (both windings) for turn-to-turn shorts (with a signal generator), and if any of the 3 diodes (V1808, V1809, V1811) looks like it had previously been replaced (possibly improperly replaced), consider replacing all 3 of them together, using the proper parts. Use fast soft-recovery diodes rated for 1kV here. If you can't find any, use ultrafast ones. They're maybe not optimal from an EMI standpoint here, but at least they should work well enough for testing. If you can't find a BY208-1000 replacement, a MUR4100E should work. Check C1806 for dielectric breakdown. It should be able to withstand at least 500 V (or something in that ballpark). If it doesn't, replace. Don't underestimate that L1806 energy recovery circuit. Although it doesn't by itself transfer any power to the load, this supply heavily relies on it for proper resonant operation of the main transformer. It must be working properly before you can test the main transformer waveform and have any chance of making correct measurements. Besides, your description of heavy switching noise on V1806 (when you tried to measure the base drive waveform), up to the point of the waveform being unrecognizable in the noise, seems to indicate that the L1806 circuit is shorted at high frequencies. This can be a result of either a winding short in L1806 or a breakdown in one of its diodes or some of these diodes being replaced by a generic slow silicon diode. Dimitrij |
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On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote:
On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Recheck pin function before jumping to conclusions. Right; now re-checked. DC measurments proved (unsurprisingly) too close together so I re-tested using 100khz instead. These are the impedances WRT ground of the output taps of the long winding in the order they actually come out of the transformer: GND, 0.17ohms, 0.17ohms, 0.26ohms, 0.28ohms, 3.7ohms, 3.8ohms. So this doesn't seem to tally up with the schematic. Or does it? I need a pint of strong coffee to kick-start my head on this one. :-/ Anyway, later... ... In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? If you can't find a BY208-1000 replacement, a MUR4100E(G) should work. Sorry, that may be physically too big to fit. A MUR1100EG or something similar should work and fit in the available space too. Dimitrij |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote:
On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Recheck pin function before jumping to conclusions. Right; now re-checked. DC measurments proved (unsurprisingly) too close together so I re-tested using 100khz instead. These are the impedances WRT ground of the output taps of the long winding in the order they actually come out of the transformer: GND, 0.17ohms, 0.17ohms, 0.26ohms, 0.28ohms, 3.7ohms, 3.8ohms. So this doesn't seem to tally up with the schematic. Or does it? I need a pint of strong coffee to kick-start my head on this one. :-/ Anyway, later... ... In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? If you can't find a BY208-1000 replacement, a MUR4100E(G) should work. Sorry, that may be physically too big to fit. A MUR1100EG or something similar should work and fit in the available space too. Dimitrij Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ |
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On 2/21/2016 3:59 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ Switching supplies are all designed with the diode (and other component) parameters in mind, its how they function efficiently. Bunging any old diode in is asking for trouble. Same as the ESR and temp rating of the caps used. Seriously you need to sit back and chill. These scopes were very well designed and I would say exceptionally reliable. I'd like to see you build a replacement. I've designed switching supplies, everything needs to be right or it goes wrong fast. FR107G seems to be the current equivalent for the BY208-1000 |
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On 2/21/2016 4:28 PM, JC wrote:
On 2/21/2016 3:59 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ Switching supplies are all designed with the diode (and other component) parameters in mind, its how they function efficiently. Bunging any old diode in is asking for trouble. Same as the ESR and temp rating of the caps used. Seriously you need to sit back and chill. These scopes were very well designed and I would say exceptionally reliable. I'd like to see you build a replacement. I've designed switching supplies, everything needs to be right or it goes wrong fast. FR107G seems to be the current equivalent for the BY208-1000 FR107G Ebay (UK) #390565307743 cheap enough. |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:13:55 -0500, JC wrote:
On 2/21/2016 4:28 PM, JC wrote: On 2/21/2016 3:59 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ Switching supplies are all designed with the diode (and other component) parameters in mind, its how they function efficiently. Bunging any old diode in is asking for trouble. Same as the ESR and temp rating of the caps used. Seriously you need to sit back and chill. These scopes were very well designed and I would say exceptionally reliable. I'd like to see you build a replacement. I've designed switching supplies, everything needs to be right or it goes wrong fast. FR107G seems to be the current equivalent for the BY208-1000 FR107G Ebay (UK) #390565307743 cheap enough. Thank you, JC. You and Dimitrij have both given me some subs for suitable replacements which I'm quite happy to go along with. But I'm not prepared to spend much more time on this repair, to be honest. I'd relish the prospect of a comprehensive re-design. Even if it's beyond me at this stage I'd learn a lot from it. |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 16:28:50 -0500, JC wrote:
On 2/21/2016 3:59 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ Switching supplies are all designed with the diode (and other component) parameters in mind, its how they function efficiently. Bunging any old diode in is asking for trouble. Same as the ESR and temp rating of the caps used. Seriously you need to sit back and chill. These scopes were very well designed and I would say exceptionally reliable. I'd like to see you build a replacement. I've designed switching supplies, everything needs to be right or it goes wrong fast. FR107G seems to be the current equivalent for the BY208-1000 Well, the modern ones may well be super reliable, but this old thing is very dated and shows many signs of its age and the scars of previous faults and questionable repairs. I wouldn't attempt another resonant converter; there must be something simpler with fewer critical parameters, surely. |
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On 21.02.2016 21:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:47 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 21.02.2016 18:27, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote: On 20.02.2016 15:36, JC wrote: On 2/20/2016 7:55 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:14:09 -0500, legg wrote: Recheck pin function before jumping to conclusions. Right; now re-checked. DC measurments proved (unsurprisingly) too close together so I re-tested using 100khz instead. These are the impedances WRT ground of the output taps of the long winding in the order they actually come out of the transformer: GND, 0.17ohms, 0.17ohms, 0.26ohms, 0.28ohms, 3.7ohms, 3.8ohms. So this doesn't seem to tally up with the schematic. Or does it? I need a pint of strong coffee to kick-start my head on this one. :-/ Anyway, later... ... In one of your pictures there are a couple of diodes that look messed up (V1809 and V1811) near the bridge. They are supposed to be BY208-1000 (1000v rectifiers), I can see "40" on one, maybe 1N4007? If you can't find a BY208-1000 replacement, a MUR4100E(G) should work. Sorry, that may be physically too big to fit. A MUR1100EG or something similar should work and fit in the available space too. Dimitrij Thank you. If you've had the chance to read my follow up to JC (I think it was) then you'll be aware that one of those BY208 diodes was replaced by a BY134. If the design is that critical of the speed of the diodes it uses then maybe it won't function properly as you suggest. I can only imagine the technician who replaced it was unaware of the critical nature of the part concerned. I'm kind of unhappy with this design overall, to be honest. It was critically appraised on s.e.d and found generally unsatisfactory. I'm strongly tempted to just save the transformers, junk everything else and start afresh with a modern design. The rest of the scope is mint and untouched, it's only the psu section that's been butchered around and shows signs of burning and scorching in places. Maybe the best thing to do would be to bin it? :-/ Hi As for the BY134, sorry, I must have overlooked that somehow, or maybe it did not register in my memory right away. Anyway, it's just as bad a choice as a 1N4007 and its ilk. It's designed for mains rectification and doesn't even make an attempt at being fast. No use in an active snubber or energy recovery circuit whose task it is to "strip out" the high frequency components from a square wave. Get rid of it, and while you're at it, consider the condition of the other two (V1808+9) identical ones. Sometimes a person who does an improper repair will try swapping nearby components hoping that another one might be "less critical". So if you see signs of unprofessional manual soldering on them, take that whole trinity and replace them. Same with C1806. If it looks suspicious, does not pass a withstand test at some 105% of its rated voltage or shows high ESR, change it too. BY208-1000s are hard to come by nowadays, so here is a list of some more modern candidates: MUR1100E, BYV26E, UF4007. They should fit, and even though they are faster than the original BY208-1000, they should work. There are also: RGP30M (slightly large, modest speed), UF5408 (slightly large), MUR4100E (slightly large), STTH112U (smd), US1M (smd) BYG23M (smd). They may or may not fit due to size and space constraints, and the SMD ones would likely need some wire leads soldered on (won't look professional, but hey, if others are too hard to come by, that's ok). Once you've fixed that botched repair on the energy recovery circuit, connect a taillight lamp to the 12.7 V output, test it again and tell your results here (make sure you put all the proper parts back in, before you switch it on, this supply may be unforgiving if any parts are missing and it's powered on). As for the design being "generally unsatisfactory", let me disagree. Resonant converters do have a well earned place in the world of power electronics, but the design of them is, in a way, a black art. They have lots of pitfalls for the unwary and not so many engineers can actually design them properly and they tend to use special components (inductive ones in particular) that would be rather unsuitable for other topologies too. Yet they do have certain benefits, low noise operation that is suitable for sensitive measurement instruments, being one of them. They are not so easy to understand, compared to "simple" flyback topology supplies - so people go screaming "this is too complex" or "this uses too many parts". In fact your supply's energy recovery circuit is actually a little unregulated flyback converter of its own! But so far (and considering the design's day and age), all the parts that I've seen in that schematic seem to me to have a good reason for their existence. Greetings Dimitrij |
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:52:28 +0100, Dimitrij Klingbeil wrote:
As for the BY134, [...] Get rid of it, and while you're at it, consider the condition of the other two (V1808+9) identical ones. Sometimes a person who does an improper repair will try swapping nearby components hoping that another one might be "less critical". So if you see signs of unprofessional manual soldering on them, take that whole trinity and replace them. Will do. I'm guessing the tech who replaced that diode was solely concerned with its voltage rating. In all honesty, I'd have been the same before this speed importance was drawn to my attention in this thread. Same with C1806. If it looks suspicious, does not pass a withstand test at some 105% of its rated voltage or shows high ESR, change it too. That one actually looks fine appearance-wise, but I'll test it electrically of course. BY208-1000s are hard to come by nowadays, so here is a list of some more modern candidates: MUR1100E, BYV26E, UF4007. They should fit, and even though they are faster than the original BY208-1000, they should work. Once you've fixed that botched repair on the energy recovery circuit, connect a taillight lamp to the 12.7 V output, test it again and tell your results here (make sure you put all the proper parts back in, before you switch it on, this supply may be unforgiving if any parts are missing and it's powered on). Will do. I'll order the parts tomorrow if I can't find any in my spares bin. As for the design being "generally unsatisfactory", let me disagree. Resonant converters do have a well earned place in the world of power electronics, but the design of them is, in a way, a black art. They have lots of pitfalls for the unwary and not so many engineers can actually design them properly and they tend to use special components (inductive ones in particular) that would be rather unsuitable for other topologies too. Yet they do have certain benefits, low noise operation that is suitable for sensitive measurement instruments, being one of them. They are not so easy to understand, compared to "simple" flyback topology supplies - so people go screaming "this is too complex" or "this uses too many parts". In fact your supply's energy recovery circuit is actually a little unregulated flyback converter of its own! But so far (and considering the design's day and age), all the parts that I've seen in that schematic seem to me to have a good reason for their existence. I read somewhere that resonant converters are poorly understood by engineers who don't specialise in them and that accurate, detailed literature on them is not easy to find. So it's very valuable to have knowledgeable people like yourself and others here who do understand how they work; otherwise I'd have nowhere to turn for advice on how to proceed with this! I'm going to work through the steps you've outlined here and elsewhere and hope they work. But if the problem remains, I shall definitely be mothballing it for the foreseeable future. My patience isn't infinite! ![]() |
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