Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the
player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
Not sure but you might be able to get them through a place called Asti Magnetics. I don't have their new phone number since they were bought out by EVG. I used to be on their mailing list and I recall seeing a list/cross for C pickups. Thee "magnetics" part is from when they specialized in after market transformers for TVs. Then they went into video heads for a while.
I have no idea of their sources but their products were usually good. The problematic ones were not just problematic for them. Certain things are just troublesome it seems. |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
"Nick" wrote in message ... I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick I'm a bit confused. You start off talking about a '240, and then continue with the story of having tried two variants of a '210, before returning to discussing the '240 again at the end. 210's and 240's are quite different animals ... As to replacing a KSS240A, I have to tell you that I have had pretty much zero success with replacements for the last 5 years or so, and these days don't even bother wasting my money getting one in for a job. As to the places offering "Genuine" or "Original" Sony pickups, I haven't found one yet that is. In fact, a while back, I had a long argument with an eBay supplier who advertised an original Sony KSS240 and even had the photo on the listing of the genuine article, with the Sony logo on the lens surround. Because of this, and the experience I'd previously had, I chose this supplier for the exact reason that they *were* offering a genuine replacement. When it arrived, it was nothing of the sort. Just for sport, I tried it in the player, and as expected, it behaved worse than the one it was replacing. I took it up with the supplier and eventually, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing got a refund, and got him to change the listing. 240's have, in my experience, always been a very fussy laser anyway, but never more so than with the clones that you now get. In fact, the whole laser replacement situation has taken a real nose-dive in regard to KSS series ones over the last couple of years, and for the most part, I don't even bother replacing 213s any more. Some work ok, some not so well, so not worth the risk. Interestingly though, I have had no problems with the replacement Sanyo ones (SFP101N both varieties, and usually supplied as a complete deck) and Philips VAM 12 / CDM12 varieties. As to telling 'fakes', the originals always had the Sony logo on the lens surround, always had a small sticker indicating the laser diode current that had been set to give the specified output, and always had the pot - or pots in the case of a '240 - sealed with either white or yellow paint. Not very good news for getting your Arcam working, I'm afraid, but just my experience changing lasers professionally for many years. I'm sure that there are a few others on here that can add to what I've said with their own experiences. Arfa |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:44:01 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message ... I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick I'm a bit confused. You start off talking about a '240, and then continue with the story of having tried two variants of a '210, before returning to discussing the '240 again at the end. 210's and 240's are quite different animals ... As to replacing a KSS240A, I have to tell you that I have had pretty much zero success with replacements for the last 5 years or so, and these days don't even bother wasting my money getting one in for a job. As to the places offering "Genuine" or "Original" Sony pickups, I haven't found one yet that is. In fact, a while back, I had a long argument with an eBay supplier who advertised an original Sony KSS240 and even had the photo on the listing of the genuine article, with the Sony logo on the lens surround. Because of this, and the experience I'd previously had, I chose this supplier for the exact reason that they *were* offering a genuine replacement. When it arrived, it was nothing of the sort. Just for sport, I tried it in the player, and as expected, it behaved worse than the one it was replacing. I took it up with the supplier and eventually, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing got a refund, and got him to change the listing. 240's have, in my experience, always been a very fussy laser anyway, but never more so than with the clones that you now get. In fact, the whole laser replacement situation has taken a real nose-dive in regard to KSS series ones over the last couple of years, and for the most part, I don't even bother replacing 213s any more. Some work ok, some not so well, so not worth the risk. Interestingly though, I have had no problems with the replacement Sanyo ones (SFP101N both varieties, and usually supplied as a complete deck) and Philips VAM 12 / CDM12 varieties. As to telling 'fakes', the originals always had the Sony logo on the lens surround, always had a small sticker indicating the laser diode current that had been set to give the specified output, and always had the pot - or pots in the case of a '240 - sealed with either white or yellow paint. Not very good news for getting your Arcam working, I'm afraid, but just my experience changing lasers professionally for many years. I'm sure that there are a few others on here that can add to what I've said with their own experiences. Arfa Hi Arfa, Sorry for the confusion - I did mean 'KSS240' (and NKS240), just a brain fart when typing. I looks like the Arcam is destined for the great recycling centre then :- ( A bit of a shame as in all other respects it works fine and I'm quite happy with the sound. I didn't 'think' it was that old, but looking at the transport it does have a date stamp of July 1998. As I purchased it from new maybe it hasn't done so badly after all! In the name of 'sport' I might just contact one of the Ebay sellers that is claiming 'original' KSS240s and specifically ask if it is a real one or not - certainly the picture looks 'right' (The adjustment pots are sealed with yellow paint, and the main flexi socket looks the same as on my original unit) In the meantime I guess I'll start researching a suitable replacement for the Alpha. Many thanks again Nick |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:50:26 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
Not sure but you might be able to get them through a place called Asti Magnetics. I don't have their new phone number since they were bought out by EVG. I used to be on their mailing list and I recall seeing a list/cross for C pickups. Thee "magnetics" part is from when they specialized in after market transformers for TVs. Then they went into video heads for a while. I have no idea of their sources but their products were usually good. The problematic ones were not just problematic for them. Certain things are just troublesome it seems. Hi, Thanks for the info - looks like they are based in the US, and from the website I'm not sure they ship to the UK / EU Oh well Nick |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
I have 2 remaining NOS pickups: KSS240A and KSS240ARP. Both were acquired from my Sony parts distributor when I was a Sony repair center. I have never had a problem with parts from that source. I'm n the US and I don't know the shipping cost. but either or both are available.
Let me know if you are interested. Dan |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On 8/11/2015 3:51 PM, Nick wrote:
I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick Nick, Genuine Sony KSS-240A pick ups have 3 pots on the board, and the optical chip is 14 or 16 pins (I can't remember), where as most of the 'aftermarket' ones have 8 pin IC's. That said, I've had OK luck with some of the 'aftermarket' ones (aka fakes) Also look at the DAC board in the Alpha 8 at R69. It should be 2k2 (2200 ohms) if it is still the original 10k resistor change it, and maybe Q6 (BC847B) at the same time. This was a factory change because Q6 would get too hot and fail, killing one of the clocks and causing the laser sled to go flying to the outside. It could trash the gear rack in the optical pickup. Regards, Tim Schwartz Bristol Electronics |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On 8/11/2015 3:51 PM, Nick wrote:
I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick Nick, Genuine Sony KSS-240A pick ups have 3 pots on the board, and the optical chip is 14 or 16 pins (I can't remember), where as most of the 'aftermarket' ones have 8 pin IC's. That said, I've had OK luck with some of the 'aftermarket' ones (aka fakes) Also look at the DAC board in the Alpha 8 at R69. It should be 2k2 (2200 ohms) if it is still the original 10k resistor change it, and maybe Q6 (BC847B) at the same time. This was a factory change because Q6 would get too hot and fail, killing one of the clocks and causing the laser sled to go flying to the outside. It could trash the gear rack in the optical pickup. Regards, Tim Schwartz Bristol Electronics |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:11:39 -0400, Tim Schwartz wrote:
On 8/11/2015 3:51 PM, Nick wrote: I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick Nick, Genuine Sony KSS-240A pick ups have 3 pots on the board, and the optical chip is 14 or 16 pins (I can't remember), where as most of the 'aftermarket' ones have 8 pin IC's. That said, I've had OK luck with some of the 'aftermarket' ones (aka fakes) Also look at the DAC board in the Alpha 8 at R69. It should be 2k2 (2200 ohms) if it is still the original 10k resistor change it, and maybe Q6 (BC847B) at the same time. This was a factory change because Q6 would get too hot and fail, killing one of the clocks and causing the laser sled to go flying to the outside. It could trash the gear rack in the optical pickup. Regards, Tim Schwartz Bristol Electronics Hi Tim, Thanks for the heads up on that, something to check when I next have the covers off! Regards Nick |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 04:00:06 -0700, dansabrservices wrote:
I have 2 remaining NOS pickups: KSS240A and KSS240ARP. Both were acquired from my Sony parts distributor when I was a Sony repair center. I have never had a problem with parts from that source. I'm n the US and I don't know the shipping cost. but either or both are available. Let me know if you are interested. Dan Hi Dan, Thanks for the offer, I've PM'ed you Cheers Nick |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
"Arfa Daily" wrote in message ... "Nick" wrote in message ... I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick I'm a bit confused. You start off talking about a '240, and then continue with the story of having tried two variants of a '210, before returning to discussing the '240 again at the end. 210's and 240's are quite different animals ... As to replacing a KSS240A, I have to tell you that I have had pretty much zero success with replacements for the last 5 years or so, and these days don't even bother wasting my money getting one in for a job. As to the places offering "Genuine" or "Original" Sony pickups, I haven't found one yet that is. In fact, a while back, I had a long argument with an eBay supplier who advertised an original Sony KSS240 and even had the photo on the listing of the genuine article, with the Sony logo on the lens surround. Because of this, and the experience I'd previously had, I chose this supplier for the exact reason that they *were* offering a genuine replacement. When it arrived, it was nothing of the sort. Just for sport, I tried it in the player, and as expected, it behaved worse than the one it was replacing. I took it up with the supplier and eventually, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing got a refund, and got him to change the listing. 240's have, in my experience, always been a very fussy laser anyway, but never more so than with the clones that you now get. In fact, the whole laser replacement situation has taken a real nose-dive in regard to KSS series ones over the last couple of years, and for the most part, I don't even bother replacing 213s any more. Some work ok, some not so well, so not worth the risk. Interestingly though, I have had no problems with the replacement Sanyo ones (SFP101N both varieties, and usually supplied as a complete deck) and Philips VAM 12 / CDM12 varieties. As to telling 'fakes', the originals always had the Sony logo on the lens surround, always had a small sticker indicating the laser diode current that had been set to give the specified output, and always had the pot - or pots in the case of a '240 - sealed with either white or yellow paint. Not very good news for getting your Arcam working, I'm afraid, but just my experience changing lasers professionally for many years. I'm sure that there are a few others on here that can add to what I've said with their own experiences. Arfa I have attempted to repair many CDJ units that use this or similar mechs, by buying cheap clones off Ebay. Have to say that the success rate is well below 25%. The product is crap. I don't do that any more. Gareth. |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
... "Nick" wrote in message ... I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick I'm a bit confused. You start off talking about a '240, and then continue with the story of having tried two variants of a '210, before returning to discussing the '240 again at the end. 210's and 240's are quite different animals ... As to replacing a KSS240A, I have to tell you that I have had pretty much zero success with replacements for the last 5 years or so, and these days don't even bother wasting my money getting one in for a job. As to the places offering "Genuine" or "Original" Sony pickups, I haven't found one yet that is. In fact, a while back, I had a long argument with an eBay supplier who advertised an original Sony KSS240 and even had the photo on the listing of the genuine article, with the Sony logo on the lens surround. Because of this, and the experience I'd previously had, I chose this supplier for the exact reason that they *were* offering a genuine replacement. When it arrived, it was nothing of the sort. Just for sport, I tried it in the player, and as expected, it behaved worse than the one it was replacing. I took it up with the supplier and eventually, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing got a refund, and got him to change the listing. 240's have, in my experience, always been a very fussy laser anyway, but never more so than with the clones that you now get. In fact, the whole laser replacement situation has taken a real nose-dive in regard to KSS series ones over the last couple of years, and for the most part, I don't even bother replacing 213s any more. Some work ok, some not so well, so not worth the risk. Interestingly though, I have had no problems with the replacement Sanyo ones (SFP101N both varieties, and usually supplied as a complete deck) and Philips VAM 12 / CDM12 varieties. As to telling 'fakes', the originals always had the Sony logo on the lens surround, always had a small sticker indicating the laser diode current that had been set to give the specified output, and always had the pot - or pots in the case of a '240 - sealed with either white or yellow paint. Not very good news for getting your Arcam working, I'm afraid, but just my experience changing lasers professionally for many years. I'm sure that there are a few others on here that can add to what I've said with their own experiences. Arfa Most of the problems with the 240's I have seen ended up being the 15-pin flex cable associated with it. They bend, flex and fatigue up near the pickup end. Problems are usually intermittent in nature. Mark Z. |
Sony KSS240A laser assemblies (heads)
Arfa,
I'll have to disagree on one point. I've gotten many (most) KSS-240A lasers without the SONY on the lens cover, including ones purchased directly from Sony over the past 15 years. I've found the size of the optical IC on the bottom the best indicator. Regards, Tim Bristol Electronics On 8/11/2015 8:44 PM, Arfa Daily wrote: "Nick" wrote in message ... I've got an Arcam Alpha 8 CD player with a somewhat tired laser, the player has started to skip on occasion and checking the RF (eye pattern) shows that the levels are a bit low. Cleaning hasn't improved matters. I understand that these laser units haven't been made for a number of years but there are many 'clones' available. I've now tried two different replacements and quite honestly they seem to be pretty poor, in both cases the sled rack doesn't 'mesh' at all well with the drive pinion which doesn't inspire much confidence! In terms of electrical performance the first (labelled as NKS210A) 'sort of' worked but checking the RF showed gross distortion and the player skipped in the presence of the slightest surface damage on the CD. The second (labelled as KSS210A), gave a much better eye pattern (levels 'OK' / clean and undistorted) and plays fine except for two CDs where it has 'issues' (both of these played fine with the original laser assembly!) Looking on Ebay there are a multitude of different KSS240A lasers for sale at differing prices, are there any known good ones to go for? I also see some sellers have listings like: 'Laserpickup, Original Sony KSS240A'. Is it possible (likely) that these could be genuine Sony laser assemblies? Is there an easy way to tell a fake from an original? Any ideas? Nick I'm a bit confused. You start off talking about a '240, and then continue with the story of having tried two variants of a '210, before returning to discussing the '240 again at the end. 210's and 240's are quite different animals ... As to replacing a KSS240A, I have to tell you that I have had pretty much zero success with replacements for the last 5 years or so, and these days don't even bother wasting my money getting one in for a job. As to the places offering "Genuine" or "Original" Sony pickups, I haven't found one yet that is. In fact, a while back, I had a long argument with an eBay supplier who advertised an original Sony KSS240 and even had the photo on the listing of the genuine article, with the Sony logo on the lens surround. Because of this, and the experience I'd previously had, I chose this supplier for the exact reason that they *were* offering a genuine replacement. When it arrived, it was nothing of the sort. Just for sport, I tried it in the player, and as expected, it behaved worse than the one it was replacing. I took it up with the supplier and eventually, after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing got a refund, and got him to change the listing. 240's have, in my experience, always been a very fussy laser anyway, but never more so than with the clones that you now get. In fact, the whole laser replacement situation has taken a real nose-dive in regard to KSS series ones over the last couple of years, and for the most part, I don't even bother replacing 213s any more. Some work ok, some not so well, so not worth the risk. Interestingly though, I have had no problems with the replacement Sanyo ones (SFP101N both varieties, and usually supplied as a complete deck) and Philips VAM 12 / CDM12 varieties. As to telling 'fakes', the originals always had the Sony logo on the lens surround, always had a small sticker indicating the laser diode current that had been set to give the specified output, and always had the pot - or pots in the case of a '240 - sealed with either white or yellow paint. Not very good news for getting your Arcam working, I'm afraid, but just my experience changing lasers professionally for many years. I'm sure that there are a few others on here that can add to what I've said with their own experiences. Arfa |
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