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Help with floundering son
Hi all,
The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad |
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"amdx" wrote in message ... Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Armed forces including the CG. |
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amdx wrote:
The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. ** Wot an unintended consequence ..... My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? ** There are private colleges in most big cities the offer courses in audio engineering, audio production and related subjects. If your boy gets a certificate from one AND also has diploma in education - he could get a cushy job working for one of these institutions. I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? ** Well, you could buy him a wet suit, snorkel and spear gun. Then he could make his living out of "floundering" .... .... Phil |
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On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:17:23 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:15:15 -0600, amdx wrote: I had a similar problem with a former ladyfriend's son. He was studying to be an architect, but preferred to play guitar with his friends. At one point, he announced that he was dropping out of college to become a professional musician. His mother panicked and volunteered me to talk to him on the assumption that my sledge hammer style of diplomacy and tactless pragmatism might have some effect. I expected a long dragged out battle, but instead found the right pitch line on the first try. It told him that I knew plenty of architects that play guitar on the side, but no guitarists that dabble in architectural design on the side. What would you have told him if his major had been art history? |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:17:18 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: ...snip.... I expected a long dragged out battle, but instead found the right pitch line on the first try. It told him that I knew plenty of architects that play guitar on the side, but no guitarists that dabble in architectural design on the side. I didn't even have to threaten him with being grounded, disinherited and thrown out of the house. He eventually finished college, apprenticed with the strangest architectural firm in the area, got married (twice), and is now gainfully employed. He occasionally plays the guitar. So,...he never countered with the story about Jay Leno? Jay and his friends were doing clubs to hone their art of comedy. His friends ALL kept their day jobs, but Jay quit his. With NO way back, he becme a bit successful, where as all his friends, having a 'lifeline' never went very far in comedy. [as related by Jay Leno] |
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 07:49:58 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:17:18 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: ...snip.... I expected a long dragged out battle, but instead found the right pitch line on the first try. It told him that I knew plenty of architects that play guitar on the side, but no guitarists that dabble in architectural design on the side. I didn't even have to threaten him with being grounded, disinherited and thrown out of the house. He eventually finished college, apprenticed with the strangest architectural firm in the area, got married (twice), and is now gainfully employed. He occasionally plays the guitar. So,...he never countered with the story about Jay Leno? Jay and his friends were doing clubs to hone their art of comedy. His friends ALL kept their day jobs, but Jay quit his. With NO way back, he becme a bit successful, where as all his friends, having a 'lifeline' never went very far in comedy. [as related by Jay Leno] At some point, one has to decide between their day job and their passion. The difference between Jay Leno, my architect, and I is that Jay Leno is very good at comedy, while my architect friend and I were quite mediocre at music. If he's good, encourage him. If he's lousy, divert him to something else. I hadn't heard the story about Jay Leno, but I can see a few problems. The inspiration to bail out of a day job and go full time into entertainment or music is usually inspired by a mentor, agent, talent scout, or club owner. Like everything else, it's not what you know or can do, but rather whom you know, good timing, attitude, and good timing. The common term is "lucky break". A career commitment can probably happen in a vacuum, but I doubt this one did. It's like cats. Cats pick their own owners. Careers pick their own players. Also, there's always a "way back" if comedy had failed. When you're young, the job opportunities are much better than as we get older. Jay could have gone back to pumping gasoline or whatever with little effort. Incidentally, I suspect that the difference between Jay Leno and the rest of his crowd is that he's good at both delivery and writing his monologs. He was forced to go back to writing his own stuff by the writers strike in 2008, and did quite well. http://nymag.com/arts/tv/features/43266/ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 11:27:20 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Locally, we have something even better than art history called "History of Conciousness". That's good; I thought the rest of the world had enough difficulty defining "Conciousness"! Is "better" used ironically? Mike. |
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On 12/31/2014 4:15 PM, amdx wrote:
Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Certainly depends on the college and the major...but... I expect college to teach you how to THINK. (military teaches you how to follow orders) I don't like history/art type majors because they teach you what someone else did. Not totally useless, but critical thinking is more useful. I learned more useful/practical stuff the first week on the job from an excellent mentor than I did in five years of engineering school. But if I hadn't had the background, I wouldn't have been able to comprehend my mentor. Smoking pot and playing video games is not "going to college." Maybe a tiered approach. Let the military teach him how to follow orders, then order him to go to college. You can always do whatever you want after a basic education. You may have started too late. My dad had a basic college education, a blue-collar job and a TV repair business on the side. He bought me a Heathkit short wave radio kit somewhere around age 8. He steered me toward ham radio. He paid me 50-cents to check all the tubes in a TV. I had to keep accounts of my work and payments. One day, he just took me aside and taught me long division. He got me a job after school at a friend's TV shop. I never thought about it at the time, but he may have been paying my salary under the table. There was never any question whether I'd be an engineer. Wasn't my choice. Nobody told me to do it. It just happened...thanks to my dad. |
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On 1/1/2015 4:52 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote: The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. ** Wot an unintended consequence ..... My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? ** There are private colleges in most big cities the offer courses in audio engineering, audio production and related subjects. If your boy gets a certificate from one AND also has diploma in education - he could get a cushy job working for one of these institutions. I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? ** Well, you could buy him a wet suit, snorkel and spear gun. Then he could make his living out of "floundering" .... ... Phil Cute little play on words. I'm surrounded by people earning money fishing, a few are doing very, some making a living, and most don't own a car and live with someone else when the boat isn't out. Some of those could have a little if they didn't drink and use drugs when they hit land. (not saying they don't take them with them fishing) He has not shown interest in fishing, and that's ok. 40 year old fishermen look like they're 55. Mikek --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On 1/2/2015 5:49 AM, mike wrote:
On 12/31/2014 4:15 PM, amdx wrote: Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Certainly depends on the college and the major...but... I expect college to teach you how to THINK. (military teaches you how to follow orders) I don't like history/art type majors because they teach you what someone else did. Not totally useless, but critical thinking is more useful. I learned more useful/practical stuff the first week on the job from an excellent mentor than I did in five years of engineering school. But if I hadn't had the background, I wouldn't have been able to comprehend my mentor. Smoking pot and playing video games is not "going to college." Maybe a tiered approach. Let the military teach him how to follow orders, then order him to go to college. You can always do whatever you want after a basic education. You may have started too late. My dad had a basic college education, a blue-collar job and a TV repair business on the side. He bought me a Heathkit short wave radio kit somewhere around age 8. He steered me toward ham radio. He paid me 50-cents to check all the tubes in a TV. I had to keep accounts of my work and payments. One day, he just took me aside and taught me long division. He got me a job after school at a friend's TV shop. I never thought about it at the time, but he may have been paying my salary under the table. There was never any question whether I'd be an engineer. Wasn't my choice. Nobody told me to do it. It just happened...thanks to my dad. Maybe, I always had a bench setup with voltmeter, scope, sig gen, power supplies, and parts. Showed him ohms law, and verified it. He was ahead of me in math, so it was a breeze, when I needed help I ask him. We once made an electric motor. As a project I suggested we build an electric go kart. We did, but dad did most of the work, but I did run through motor, axle ratio, tire circumference, speed calcs, and he understood. he and the neighbor kids had fun. I will say from the start both kids new they were going to college, my daughter graduated H.S. 4th out of a 430 class. Somewhere around 10th or 11th grade, I figured out my son was probably smarter than my daughter, he just didn't do anymore work than he had to. His grades got him into a good university but he didn't work at it. Now I think it's just video games and laziness that have brought him to a halt. Mikek --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:47:43 AM UTC-7, Robert Macy wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:17:18 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: ...snip.... I expected a long dragged out battle, but instead found the right pitch line on the first try. It told him that I knew plenty of architects that play guitar on the side, but no guitarists that dabble in architectural design on the side. I didn't even have to threaten him with being grounded, disinherited and thrown out of the house. He eventually finished college, apprenticed with the strangest architectural firm in the area, got married (twice), and is now gainfully employed. He occasionally plays the guitar. So,...he never countered with the story about Jay Leno? Jay and his friends were doing clubs to hone their art of comedy. His friends ALL kept their day jobs, but Jay quit his. With NO way back, he becme a bit successful, where as all his friends, having a 'lifeline' never went very far in comedy. [as related by Jay Leno] Are you saying Jay Leno should have kept his day job, and maybe the late night TV tragedy he ran for two decades would have never happened? |
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"Tom Miller" wrote in message ... "amdx" wrote in message ... Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Find a (large as possible) PA hire company that wants some free or poorly paid labour. This will be a lot of fun. (loading trucks, going to gigs, roadying hard and enjoying it) If he is really interested, he will closely watch and talk to the engineers, learn a huge amount he never knew existed, and eventually be trusted to take on live sound work and be properly paid for it. Gareth. |
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On 12/31/2014 4:15 PM, amdx wrote:
Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad I hired my son when he couldn't find a job after graduating with a BA in Economics. He doesn't live at home so he pays rent, has a steady girlfriend, does everything one expects when living on their own, and he is learning a trade. I don't expect him to continue in my field for too much longer, but in the meantime we can talk and he has a breather while he figures out his priorities. Plus he gets training in repairing equipment, practical computer applications (online store), dealing with customers, etc. Not every parent has that luxury - being able to hire/train one's offspring - so it is not a panacea, but it is at least helping him. John :-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:16:37 -0800, John Robertson wrote:
Larry Niven (right wing SF author) kinda had it right where his cleverest aliens - the Puppeteers' - leader was called "The Hindmost" as they lead for the rear, in other words they followed the crowd. John :-#)# And, long before him, Gilbert & Sullivan's Duke of Plaza Toro had the same battle plan... Mike. |
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"amdx" wrote:
Hi all,* * The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking.* * *My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided* that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that* from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish* and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't.* *He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about* mixing but has no equipment except a computer.* *I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending* some more to get him on a track.* * What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio* recording. I don't know! What should he be learning?* *I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants.* Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds* it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on* something.* *As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until* you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead.* * Any Ideas?* * * * * * * * * * *Thanks, Dad* I'm surprised you care! Most people could care less about family (yet, expect the perfect kid) |
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On 1/7/2015 3:22 PM, wrote:
"amdx" wrote: Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad I'm surprised you care! Most people could care less about family (yet, expect the perfect kid) Oh, I think you should change most to some. Mikek --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On 2015-01-01 00:15:15 +0000, amdx said:
Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Stop supporting him, let him get a job, and figure it out on his own. Pressuring him into college in the first place was probably a huge mistake. |
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On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:12:40 PM UTC-5, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
On 2015-01-01 00:15:15 +0000, amdx said: Hi all, The Sig Gen for guitar amps started me thinking. My son is floundering, after two years at a university he has decided that's not what he wants. I guess I could say I knew that from the start, mom didn't. I would have liked to see him finish and then flounder with job prospects, but he didn't. He keeps saying he has an interest in music, he plays guitar, talks about mixing but has no equipment except a computer. I've got about $25,000 into his education so far and don't mind spending some more to get him on a track. What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio recording. I don't know! What should he be learning? I know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants. Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he finds it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on something. As I told him when he went to college, explore everything on campus until you find what tweaks you! I think he played video games instead. Any Ideas? Thanks, Dad Stop supporting him, let him get a job, and figure it out on his own. Pressuring him into college in the first place was probably a huge mistake. But then years later, he'd be mad at him for not pushing the idea of college. Because on average, people who've continued education after high school earn more. |
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On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 8:32:12 PM UTC-5, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 13:22:51 -0800 (PST), wrote: What are some job categories in music, music recording, studio=A0 recording. I don't know! What should he be learning?=A0 know this is very open ended, because he doesn't know what he wants.= =A0 Just venting and looking for ideas, he will do what he wants when he find= it, but I figure my job is to put things in his path until he trips on=A0 something.=A0 ====================== Your son is fortunate he has a concerned and involved father. This is a common problem in today's society/main stream culture because most of our young people are now kept separated from, and in many cases are not even allowed to observe work (because of perceived legal liability). I fear that you could even carry that thought a little further with all of the divorce and custody battles. They can't even spend time with both parents, let alone visit the places where they work. If possible he should contact the university placement office for extensive interest/talent testing and advise. for example http://tinyurl.com/p8oeyvv http://tinyurl.com/nat2hz3 http://tinyurl.com/d5xgql5 Yeah, that and keep up with what his professors are into. Tell them his interests as they change and what opportunities are out there. The music/entertainment field as a whole, while glamorous and exciting on the surface (because this is what sells) appears to be an extremely demanding field, requiring extensive amounts of paid and unpaid work and long hours in all areas, not just the performers. Additionally, because of the glamor which attracts large numbers of wannabes, the compensation for all but the very top performers, and to a limited extent their "possse", is low and large amounts of talent/inate ability and practice-practice-practice is required. If at all possible, try to get him internships in some of the areas in which he may be interested such as record production [mixer] or night club DJ, but as noted these are galm jobs and are hard to get, even with no pay. If he is not already playing in a garage band, and composing music, he is advised to forget about the guitar as he will be competing with people who have played since they could hold a guitar. A google search on {music relate employment} returned 169kk hits. Many of these such as business manager, intellectual property manager, event manager, etc. require a business degree and experience A few of the sites include http://tinyurl.com/q2wqo5j http://tinyurl.com/nrxdka9 http://tinyurl.com/k2cuwt9 http://tinyurl.com/mk28e6u Being in the right place at the right time, saying all the right things. |
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:33 PM UTC-5, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Ignoramus30544 fired this volley in : My guess is that it is due to substance abuse. Might be, but I had almost $60K into a medical degree for my son when he just bailed out. In his case, it was "personality abuse"; his constant "wantsturbation" was his downfall. "Dad, I just don't like all the rules and restrictions. I want to be free to do what I want to do, not what some stupid professor tells me I have to do." Yeah, a lot of people hear stuff like that on hate radio. The AM dial on radio spends all day telling you that college campuses are brainwashing people to become liberals, shed the values they grew up with, etc... So the people are scared that they'll lose their freedoms, so they take up guns, hate the government, etc... To which I replied, "Try 'doing what you want to do' with no education, no work experience, and no money." It didn't sway him. He's a DOT weigh-station inspector now, making a barely-subsistance hourly wage, when he could have been (a damned good) surgeon -- he has the artistic and manual skills to have done it well. You can't lead their lives for them. In other words, some people can't learn from lecture. They only learn from experience. |
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:33 PM UTC-5, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Ignoramus30544 fired this volley in : My guess is that it is due to substance abuse. Might be, but I had almost $60K into a medical degree for my son when he just bailed out. In his case, it was "personality abuse"; his constant "wantsturbation" was his downfall. "Dad, I just don't like all the rules and restrictions. I want to be free to do what I want to do, not what some stupid professor tells me I have to do." To which I replied, "Try 'doing what you want to do' with no education, no work experience, and no money." It didn't sway him. He's a DOT weigh-station inspector now, making a barely-subsistance hourly wage ... That's a government job. That's OK! He could let his chain of command know that he can go to night school and get a masters. Then he make weekly calls to the local bond broker bigwigs and state lawmakers on what state or federal government bond projects near his job site he could chip into (because you need a bond broker in order to buy any government bonds). If he tries to make his bond purchase choices the same as the main government big shots and business leaders in the town he lives in, he can go very far in government. (he might even get a country club spot if he has good golf skills and good enough connections) |
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 5:20:00 PM UTC-5, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:1bfc5df8-e37e-4410- : That's a government job. That's OK! It's not federal, it's state, and weight inspectors are not "line" staff. They are not LEOs. They are just hourly employees who can be laid off, fired, whatever. The position requires no experience or training to start... it's all OJT. And worst -- there is no promotion path for that grade. He can get minimum COLA, but no advancement. Not all government jobs are cushy lifetime appointments! Everyone starts out in the trashy positions, but the ones who at least try to get on the same page as top government appointees eventually get "cushy" or senior executive level state or federal appointments. Actually, you do have to be in the right spot at the right time once you get your foot in the door of any place you work. Where ever the executives are, you (the low man on the totem-pole) have to figure out a way to be there.. The few "low men on the totem pole" who manage to do that throughout their career get those spots. Maybe a friendship with a government and other bond broker (familiar with most state government projects in his area) might be a key to an eventuality like that. (who knows where it could lead) |
Help with floundering son
On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:56:29 AM UTC-5, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Larry Jaques fired this volley in : So show him some tough love. Cut him loose: He either learns and makes it, or he doesn't, but it's up to him. G'luck! Loose? He's 38, and on his own for 14 years. The money's sunk -- He couldn't pay it back if I held a gun to his head. This isn't a 'continuing problem' for me, it's just an unfortunate truth, and an irk that won't 'de-irk', because of all the folks his age whom I see in the same situation. Sometimes I wonder if he'd have been more intent on finishing his degree if he'd had to work for the tuition... no telling, now. Yeah, but kids usually do what their parents did. So I guess he's copying you to a degree, right? I mean your generation had going-out-doors, joking with your friends, reading newspapers and books. All that helped in college. His generation had Television, MTV and video games. That background makes college and competition tougher. (so maybe he couldn't have just copied you) |
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