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Tim R har bragt dette til verden:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:02:04 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Note that GPS time is 16 seconds ahead of UTC. There's also UT1 for astronomers, which is where the leap second originates. Is this always true? So GPS is precise to the nanosecond, but inaccurate by a quarter minute? The GPS is precise. The earth is inaccurate. Leif -- Husk kørelys bagpå, hvis din bilfabrikant har taget den idiotiske beslutning at undlade det. |
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"dave" wrote in message m... On 06/27/2014 08:02 AM, Tim R wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:02:04 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Note that GPS time is 16 seconds ahead of UTC. There's also UT1 for astronomers, which is where the leap second originates. Is this always true? So GPS is precise to the nanosecond, but inaccurate by a quarter minute? The earth is slowing down its RPM. Stop the world - I wanna get off. |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 10:17:24 -0700, dave
wrote: On 06/27/2014 08:02 AM, Tim R wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:02:04 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Note that GPS time is 16 seconds ahead of UTC. There's also UT1 for astronomers, which is where the leap second originates. Is this always true? So GPS is precise to the nanosecond, but inaccurate by a quarter minute? The earth is slowing down its RPM. Too much friction. When that happens, you should lubricate the bushings on your globe. If that's insufficient, replace them with air bearings, which should help decrease the rate of slowing. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sunday, July 6, 2014 3:54:07 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 10:17:24 -0700, dave wrote: On 06/27/2014 08:02 AM, Tim R wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:02:04 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Note that GPS time is 16 seconds ahead of UTC. There's also UT1 for astronomers, which is where the leap second originates. Is this always true? So GPS is precise to the nanosecond, but inaccurate by a quarter minute? The earth is slowing down its RPM. Too much friction. When that happens, you should lubricate the bushings on your globe. If that's insufficient, replace them with air bearings, which should help decrease the rate of slowing. A magnetic bearing would be great, but that would require the earth have a magnetic field. Oh wait.............. |
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
wrote: On Sunday, July 6, 2014 3:54:07 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 10:17:24 -0700, dave The earth is slowing down its RPM. Too much friction. When that happens, you should lubricate the bushings on your globe. If that's insufficient, replace them with air bearings, which should help decrease the rate of slowing. A magnetic bearing would be great, but that would require the earth have a magnetic field. Oh wait.............. No waiting required. Magnetic levity is commonly available: https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetically+levitated+globe&tbm=isch -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
... No waiting required. Magnetic levity is commonly available: https://www.google.com/search?q=magn...globe&tbm=isch What's funny about magnetism? |
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On Monday, July 7, 2014 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... No waiting required. Magnetic levity is commonly available: https://www.google.com/search?q=magn...globe&tbm=isch What's funny about magnetism? I'm shocked you don't get it. |
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On Monday, July 7, 2014 9:18:15 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
No waiting required. Magnetic levity is commonly available: https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetically+levitated+globe&tbm=isch That's nothing. Andre Geim, winner of the 2010 Nobel Prize in physics for graphene, also won the 2000 Ig Nobel Prize for levitating frogs and mice with magnetic fields. |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 02:10:36 +0100, "Arfa Daily" wrote: I have another atomic clock with an external antenna. I'll set it up so it's vertical, and see what happens over the next day or two. Surely 'atomic clock' is the wrong term for these devices ? As I understand it, an atomic clock is a laboratory time-standard instrument based on the decay rate of some atomic isotope, usually caesium ? The devices to which you are referring are radio-synchronised clocks (also referred to, again wrongly in my opinion, as "radio controlled clocks" ), deriving their synchronisation from data broadcast from a number of low frequency transmitters around the world. Otherwise, in between the synchronisation times, these clocks are just free-running, much like any other clock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock Well, at the end of the WWVB chain, there is a cesium standard oscillator feeding the station. Yep. Even the NIST doesn't like the term. WWVB Radio Controlled Clocks: Recommended Practices for Manufacturers and Consumers (2009 edition) http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=903649 See 9.B. Use of "Atomic Clock" Nomenclature Pg 34. ... we contend that use of the term "atomic clock" is technically incorrect and misleading to consumers, and its usage should be avoided. Unless there is actually an atomic oscillator inside the RCC (such as a cesium or rubidium oscillator), we recommend that the term "radio controlled clock" be used to correctly describe the product. Labeling products or documentation with the term "atomic timekeeping" is also considered acceptable. Good luck stuffing this genie back into the bottle. Incidentally, the easiest way to check your signal strength is to just cram an oscilloscope into the clock module and look at the decoded data. This should offer some clues as to what to look for: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sony-wwvb/ (Note that the loopstick is horizontally mounted.) According to the NIST, to obtain reliable updates, the decoded SNR should be 20 dB or better. That should be easily visible on a scope and what I'll try tonite. http://www.tmchistory.org/tmc_manual...anual_page.htm has the manuals for the TMC transmitters used by all the WWV services. They were designed for the US Navy. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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