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dave wrote:
On 11/12/2013 05:59 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: They are philosophically very different to run and debug problems on. With Linux, you can readily look inside and see what is going on, and so step by step diagnosis is possible (and in fact is essential). On the other hand, with Windows systems you can't really see what is going on inside the box at all and if you attempt conventional step by step diagnosis you will only get frustrated and angry. Windows diagnosis is basically done with a matrix of problems and solutions... and the good news is that there are enough Windows systems that a google search on a given problem will usually find you a solution. That doesn't mean the person with the solution has any more idea what is going on inside the box than you do, though. You are way more likely to need to fork over some moola to get the answer with Win. The Linux ecosystem is not about generating profits; it makes computing fun again. I'm about to install a 64 bit Mint customized for Ham Radio on my friends old gaming machine. He is actually the one who pays retail for Windows., Not really, that's the frustrating part from my standpoint. You _can't get_ direct systems programming support from Microsoft, no matter how much money you spend. I _like_ having a commercial operating system where I can call up on the phone and talk to some guy who has the source code in front of him and can track down exactly what is going on, and I don't mind paying for that service. But Microsoft will charge you for support and have you talking to some guy on the phone who doesn't know any more than you do about what is going on inside the box... it takes many, many layers of escalation to talk to anyone who has seen the source. I would MUCH RATHER be able to pay money and talk to an expert than deal with the catch-as-catch-can support that most Linux distributions have. But Microsoft gives me the worst of both worlds. Apple is not so bad... it's difficult to get in touch with people who really know what is going on, but it's not impossible. It does cost money, but that's what money is for, to pay people to do things you can't or don't want to do. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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dave wrote:
Creator of Microsoft? Gates helped write CPM, a little bit of BASIC. No. Gates had nothing do with with CP/M, which was a a Digital Research product. He was famous for producing what today we would call "layered products" including a variety of standard BASIC interpreters for various operating systems (including CP/M and RT-11, the system that CP/M was crudely modelled after), as well as BASIC-in-ROM for a lot of systems. Quick and Dirty Operating System was bought pretty much turnkey. Since then it's been Bill and Steve as Mr and Mrs Pacman, gobbling up other people's ideas. Yes, Gates purchased SBC-DOS from Seattle Business Computing and resold it as MS-DOS. That's how free markets work. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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dave, this is not meant to be personal or adversarial.
I have many years' experience with computers, and used to be a programmer. I have never had any particular problems (other than a general "failure" of W2K, for unknown reasons) with Windows. It runs, it works, and I'm willing to put out the effort to make sure it's properly configured. (There are books on the subject.) Please give me some /good/ reasons why I should dump Windows and Windows software, and switch to Linux -- other than "Linux good, Windows bad". |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... In article , Trevor wrote: And use all your Windows software no more :-( Linux is great if you are happy with the available software, or all you want to do is surf the net. However I'm amazed that people who can successfully install and run Linux can't keep a Windows box running. They are philosophically very different to run and debug problems on. With Linux, you can readily look inside and see what is going on, and so step by step diagnosis is possible (and in fact is essential). On the other hand, with Windows systems you can't really see what is going on inside the box at all Sure you can, just open the box. Windows or Linux makes no difference :-) and if you attempt conventional step by step diagnosis you will only get frustrated and angry. Windows diagnosis is basically done with a matrix of problems and solutions Which are readily found in many instances by checking the logs. ... and the good news is that there are enough Windows systems that a google search on a given problem will usually find you a solution. Exactly. That doesn't mean the person with the solution has any more idea what is going on inside the box than you do, though. Nor that they really care as long as a solution is available. Trevor. |
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"Leif Neland" wrote in message ... Scott Dorsey tastede følgende: In article , Trevor wrote: ... Windows diagnosis is basically done with a matrix of problems and solutions... and the good news is that there are enough Windows systems that a google search on a given problem will usually find you a solution. Or often umpteen people with the same problem and no solution :-( Or just as often umpteen solutions to no real problem :-) Trevor. |
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"dave" wrote in message m... The Windows world is like North Las Vegas. It is crass, commercial and everyone has to get their hands dirty. I have a netbook with XP that I need to talk to my iPod. The Apple ipod itunes crap is the only problem, Windows works well with every other MP3 player that I've ever used. But so does Linux for that matter. If your IOS device detects you trying to read the files with a 3rd party app it will brick your device. You have to refill it. Major Pain! Why I'd never buy an Apple device when there are lots to choose from that work with any system. Trevor. |
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On 11/12/2013 10:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" wrote in message If your IOS device detects you trying to read the files with a 3rd party app it will brick your device. You have to refill it. Major Pain! Why I'd never buy an Apple device when there are lots to choose from that work with any system. Trevor. I specifically bought mine to use with a 3G wireless router in my car, to use the iPod Touch as a stream tuner. This was in 2009 and more elegant solutions were not yet available. I was astonished that you cannot drag and drop files and then offended by the idea I could never be superuser on my own bought and paid for ipod. I do know how to root it via USB or wifi, but why? Fanbois love this kind of walled garden. Probably a juvenile complex or something. |
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"S. King" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:36:30 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote: The only time I've 'reinstalled' windows was on replacement hard drives. I've worked on hundreds of windows based computers and never needed a reinstall, unless the hard drive had died. Ditto! First there was CPM, then DOS, then Windows. Never had to re- install Windows in any iteration, although I did avoid a couple of versions that people complained about. Yep, I never had any problems with the ones they did complain about either, like ME. Wish I could say the same about all the faulty motherboards and power supplies I've had to replace in my own and other computers over the years :-( Trevor. |
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On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro:
"Les Cargill" wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. |
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"Nil" wrote in message ... On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not strictly true. Perhaps what you mean is cleaning the registry is often pointless even though it can and usually does fill up with lots of unnecessary crap over time. For those who know what they are doing, no need to pay any money at all to clean the registry. For those who don't, probably best to leave it alone. In any case reinstalling Windows just to clean the registry is even more pointless IMO. Trevor. |
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On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro:
"Nil" wrote in message ... Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not strictly true. Perhaps what you mean is cleaning the registry is often pointless even though it can and usually does fill up with lots of unnecessary crap over time. That's almost what I mean, but not quite. Windows registry is an optimized database, and the unnecessary crap that accumulates there impacts performance so little as to be irrelevant. "Cleaning" it out doesn't improve anything except one's urge to be neat. At the same time, you can easily screw the registry up royally. There's great risk and little or no benefit. For those who know what they are doing, no need to pay any money at all to clean the registry. For those who don't, probably best to leave it alone. In any case reinstalling Windows just to clean the registry is even more pointless IMO. Agreed. |
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Les Cargill wrote: I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean ot trash left from sloppy uninstalls. http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean out trash left from sloppy uninstalls. http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_..._download.html Thanks for the recommendation. I've edited the Registry many times by hand, once to remove all references to a piece of software I didn't want hanging around. "It's perfectly safe" if you pay attention to what you're doing. I've never damaged anything. I've never used a Registry cleaner. If I were going to use one, it would be the one in Piriform's CCleaner (nee, Crap Cleaner). Piriforms makes good free software (which is underwritten by the fancier versions other people pay for). |
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Nil wrote:
On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not necessarily so. However, I have yet to see a truly "hands-off" registry cleaner that can address all of the potential quirks without screwing something up. IMO, the better ones generate a list of anomalies and allow the user to review and override those that should be left alone. Time consuming, but quicker than a reinstall of the OS. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 11/23/2013 05:54 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
Nil wrote: On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not necessarily so. However, I have yet to see a truly "hands-off" registry cleaner that can address all of the potential quirks without screwing something up. IMO, the better ones generate a list of anomalies and allow the user to review and override those that should be left alone. Time consuming, but quicker than a reinstall of the OS. I'm convinced. You guys have talked me out of ever using Windows again. |
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Nil wrote:
On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Nil" wrote in message ... Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not strictly true. Perhaps what you mean is cleaning the registry is often pointless even though it can and usually does fill up with lots of unnecessary crap over time. That's almost what I mean, but not quite. Windows registry is an optimized database, and the unnecessary crap that accumulates there impacts performance so little as to be irrelevant. "Cleaning" it out doesn't improve anything except one's urge to be neat. At the same time, you can easily screw the registry up royally. There's great risk and little or no benefit. For those who know what they are doing, no need to pay any money at all to clean the registry. For those who don't, probably best to leave it alone. In any case reinstalling Windows just to clean the registry is even more pointless IMO. Agreed. Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I also know that this wasn't due to malware. I also know that once I started using a registry cleaner, that was no longer necessary. Make all the statements you want; I know what I saw. -- Les Cargill |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. That's the main thing I use; yes. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean ot trash left from sloppy uninstalls. So does the free version. http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html -- Les Cargill |
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Nil wrote:
On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Nil" wrote in message ... Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. Not strictly true. Perhaps what you mean is cleaning the registry is often pointless even though it can and usually does fill up with lots of unnecessary crap over time. That's almost what I mean, but not quite. Windows registry is an optimized database, and the unnecessary crap that accumulates there impacts performance so little as to be irrelevant. "Cleaning" it out doesn't improve anything except one's urge to be neat. At the same time, you can easily screw the registry up royally. There's great risk and little or no benefit. The Registry is a fairly hateful thing. It's a poor design choice. Having used a cleaner for some time now, I've had *zero* problems with it. For those who know what they are doing, no need to pay any money at all to clean the registry. For those who don't, probably best to leave it alone. In any case reinstalling Windows just to clean the registry is even more pointless IMO. Agreed. I use both Eusing Registry Cleaner and Revo Uninstaller. I started using both at the same time, so either or both could be what it is that worked. -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I don't really know very much about Windows systems. Part of the problem with Windows systems is that you can't see inside the box, so conventional diagnostics become impossible. This means most diagnosis is performed by having a matrix of individual symptoms and solutions in your head, or on google. People who work on Windows systems day in and day out develop that. So, when I have Windows issues, I go to someone whom I know is an expert and who has a large matrix like that in his head. And when I mentioned trying to help someone with a problem, he said the following: "If you don't know what is going on, tell them that they have registry corruption. Because they always do, and it sounds good, and for all you know it might actually have some bearing on the problem." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier. Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry" problems. Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to any significant degree unless there are other issues. |
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To some extent I agree. I see things from a slightly skewed angle I guess. Having manually gotten rid of the $$%*%$ Webshots I know it can be a pain in the ass. I have cured problems using regedit though. Recently I got "zarumba.exe" or whatever. I fixed that with a system restore and probably would never have caught it if my Java was up to date. It nagged me every minute, something it never used to do. My Java is still not updated and I cannot find one single thong that won't work because of it. That supports my claim as well as all those who agree.
It ain't broke. What do you do ? The registry is a tricky place, it saves on the fly. That's right, delete the wrong key and IF you can weven get into safemode MAYBE a system restore will get it running again. It's like the service menu in some TVs. Damn, think of the RCAs in the satores you could just walk in a **** up. Lower the H freq until it shuts down and see what happens. Good old Mut-1-8-2 and tell the thing something like it is in Malasia or something or disable things. ROFF or something. It is just like that, you CAN **** it up royal. And there is no "Save" button. It is done immediately but if you ****ed it up you won't know until your next reboot. That's why everyone says to stay out of it. Well, that and the fact that most of it is gibberish. When you go in there you do a search for the right string, usually a program name or something. When it hits, it should also give you the full path to it. Half the time a virus exe will be in your "App Data" under your username, but they sometimes hide in other places. Unless you have ****ed with explorer settings, the directory might not show up for you. the way I put it to people who want to edit their registry manually is this - I can do this. I know how to do this. there are tools to do this, like control panel for one. Every setting almost, is in that registry and programs do it cleanly and nicely without error most of the time. I do not WANT to use regedit.exe, it is a last resort. But then again, at one time I got almost DSL speed on wire. I used the wrong modem drivers, told it I was in Brazil, changed the MTU in the registry. OK it wasn't as fast as DSL but it was faster than all the other people with the 56K back in the day. So I am not afraid of it, but I know to stay away from it unless there is good reason. Think of it as exploratory surgery. That's about right. |
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Nil writes:
On 22 Nov 2013, "Trevor" wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. In general, I would tend to agree with you. However, the entire registry concept has, over the past 20+ years, morphed into something a little more "grand" than perhaps originally intended. Lazy or inexperienced programmers tend to put a lot of crap in there from their app that might arguably be put somewhere else better. (Things like making the reg a place for stuff that really ought to be in a temp file -- and we know how well apps clean up after themselves in terms of temp usage.) So the concept of a reg cleaner might not be bad, but there is indeed a LOT of snake oil junk floating around out there (and dangerous junk at that -- both malware and system breaking). I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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the way I put it to people who want to edit their registry manually is this -
I can do this. I know how to do this. there are tools to do this, like control panel for one. Every setting almost, is in that registry and programs do it cleanly and nicely without error most of the time. I do not WANT to use regedit.exe, it is a last resort. So I am not afraid of it, but I know to stay away from it unless there is good reason. Think of it as exploratory surgery. Generally true. You're usually safe yanking out stuff clearly related to a specific piece of software. Other than that, you might be taking a chance. |
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On 23.11.13 21:51, Frank Stearns wrote:
writes: On 22 Nov 2013, wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. In general, I would tend to agree with you. However, the entire registry concept has, over the past 20+ years, morphed into something a little more "grand" than perhaps originally intended. Lazy or inexperienced programmers tend to put a lot of crap in there from their app that might arguably be put somewhere else better. (Things like making the reg a place for stuff that really ought to be in a temp file -- and we know how well apps clean up after themselves in terms of temp usage.) So the concept of a reg cleaner might not be bad, but there is indeed a LOT of snake oil junk floating around out there (and dangerous junk at that -- both malware and system breaking). I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. Frank Mobile Audio Ccleaner.exe. Used it several times, and it cleanly removes the remnants of uninstalled software. |
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Les Cargill wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Les Cargill wrote: I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. That's the main thing I use; yes. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean ot trash left from sloppy uninstalls. So does the free version. Only for programs uninstalled with Revo Uninstaller, not for previously removed programs. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean out trash left from sloppy uninstalls. http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_..._download.html Thanks for the recommendation. You're welcome. It has saved me many hours of labor, when cleaning up donated computers. I've edited the Registry many times by hand, once to remove all references to a piece of software I didn't want hanging around. "It's perfectly safe" if you pay attention to what you're doing. I've never damaged anything. I've never used a Registry cleaner. If I were going to use one, it would be the one in Piriform's CCleaner (nee, Crap Cleaner). Piriforms makes good free software (which is underwritten by the fancier versions other people pay for). -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
... Ccleaner.exe. Used it several times, and it cleanly removes the remnants of uninstalled software. It also lets you choose what you want to look for. |
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Nil wrote:
On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in rec.audio.pro: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier. Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry" problems. Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to any significant degree unless there are other issues. +1 Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:16:27 +0100 "Sjouke Burry"
wrote in article 5291455e$0$6876 On 23.11.13 21:51, Frank Stearns wrote: writes: On 22 Nov 2013, wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. In general, I would tend to agree with you. However, the entire registry concept has, over the past 20+ years, morphed into something a little more "grand" than perhaps originally intended. Lazy or inexperienced programmers tend to put a lot of crap in there from their app that might arguably be put somewhere else better. (Things like making the reg a place for stuff that really ought to be in a temp file -- and we know how well apps clean up after themselves in terms of temp usage.) So the concept of a reg cleaner might not be bad, but there is indeed a LOT of snake oil junk floating around out there (and dangerous junk at that -- both malware and system breaking). I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. Frank Mobile Audio Ccleaner.exe. Used it several times, and it cleanly removes the remnants of uninstalled software. +1 |
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On 11/23/2013 11:11 AM, Nil wrote:
On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in rec.audio.pro: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier. Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry" problems. Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to any significant degree unless there are other issues. My Windows box gets cranky when Updates are Waiting. It reminds me every minute that the wireless is now connected. It only has one workspace. It tells me the Paging File is too small but nothing more. If I didn't have an iPod I wouldn't have Windows. |
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dave wrote: On 11/23/2013 11:11 AM, Nil wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in rec.audio.pro: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier. Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry" problems. Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to any significant degree unless there are other issues. My Windows box gets cranky when Updates are Waiting. It reminds me every minute that the wireless is now connected. It only has one workspace. It tells me the Paging File is too small but nothing more. If I didn't have an iPod I wouldn't have Windows. You need more RAM. As much as the motherboard and OS will support. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
Nil writes: snip I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. I've used Eusing for a year or two ( or four ) now, with no deleterious side effects. Frank Mobile Audio -- Les Cargill |
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Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 23.11.13 21:51, Frank Stearns wrote: writes: On 22 Nov 2013, wrote in rec.audio.pro: "Les wrote in message ... I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. There are far easier ways to clean the registry. Windows registry rarely if ever needs "cleaning". Unless you have some specific problem, trying to do so is at best a waste of time and at worst catastrophically destructive. There is a shady industry that sells so-called "registry cleaning" software but what they're really selling is snake oil. In general, I would tend to agree with you. However, the entire registry concept has, over the past 20+ years, morphed into something a little more "grand" than perhaps originally intended. Lazy or inexperienced programmers tend to put a lot of crap in there from their app that might arguably be put somewhere else better. (Things like making the reg a place for stuff that really ought to be in a temp file -- and we know how well apps clean up after themselves in terms of temp usage.) So the concept of a reg cleaner might not be bad, but there is indeed a LOT of snake oil junk floating around out there (and dangerous junk at that -- both malware and system breaking). I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. Frank Mobile Audio Ccleaner.exe. Used it several times, and it cleanly removes the remnants of uninstalled software. ccleaner might be more of an uninstaller. That's not strictly the same as a registry cleaner; but it's related. I mighta shoulda made a clearer distinction between those. To repeat: I use both Revo Uninstaller and Eusing Registry Cleaner, and have had good results from both. But I have not ... measurements to support that other than "nothing seemed to stop working". -- Les Cargill |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Les Cargill wrote: I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up the registry. If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry entries and leftover folders. That's the main thing I use; yes. Prior to this, I edited the registry by hand. The pro version is supposed to clean ot trash left from sloppy uninstalls. So does the free version. Only for programs uninstalled with Revo Uninstaller, not for previously removed programs. Ah! Hadn't considered that that might be something it even did. -- Les Cargill |
beware of the updates you install
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I don't really know very much about Windows systems. Frankly, I don't either. Part of the problem with Windows systems is that you can't see inside the box, so conventional diagnostics become impossible. This means most diagnosis is performed by having a matrix of individual symptoms and solutions in your head, or on google. People who work on Windows systems day in and day out develop that. So, when I have Windows issues, I go to someone whom I know is an expert and who has a large matrix like that in his head. And when I mentioned trying to help someone with a problem, he said the following: "If you don't know what is going on, tell them that they have registry corruption. Because they always do, and it sounds good, and for all you know it might actually have some bearing on the problem." --scott -- Les Cargill |
beware of the updates you install
Nil wrote:
On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in rec.audio.pro: Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier. Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry" problems. I may or may not be actually talking about "dirty registry" problems. I have no data to support or deny that. I know two things: 1) In order to improve performance of a Windows machine, I would to an annual rebuild. 2) Using Revo Uninstaller and Eusing Registry Cleaner, that "annual" at least became a longer period - longer than the machine remained in active service - call it three years. Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to any significant degree unless there are other issues. What you say is doubtless true; nonetheless... What I did "worked". That is all I can really say about it; I don't have an identified cause, and only a partially perceptible effect. I don't believe it was a placebo effect. If I had to characterize the result, it was that general ... latency improved - a lot - after these operations. I am nobody's Windows admin except my own. I don't "do" Windows internals; I don't have any professional relationship *with* Windows other than as a user. I've managed to find other ways to entertain myself :) -- Les Cargill |
beware of the updates you install
Jeff Henig wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Frank Stearns wrote: Nil writes: snip I am curious if anyone has used a reg cleaner that made a positive improvement and didn't break anything. I've used Eusing for a year or two ( or four ) now, with no deleterious side effects. Frank Mobile Audio -- Les Cargill "No deleterious side effects" due to deleting items that have been deleted. -_- Nice. There's a joke in there somewhere... The joke is on us, I am afraid. -- Les Cargill |
beware of the updates you install
On 11/24/2013 10:05 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote: You need more RAM. As much as the motherboard and OS will support. It's an Asus XP netbook I got off the junk pile at Best Buy. Genuine Intel Atom with 2 cores. It works OK for ebay and iTunes to update my iPod. I remember replacing the RAM it came with with one twice the size, but I forgot the exact numbers. It's living on borrowed time.. |
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