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Even without the "variable" this can work. Use a high enough DC voltage.
There is a method with a scope, resistor and AC supply but it is much more complex for a novice (assuming) I got the scope, resistor(s). Variac + small transformer = variable AC supply. So describe away! Thanks. |
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hmmmm... Now you are pushing my memory hard!!...LOL
Let's see. Make a series circuit with the resistor (R) at the top and the component at the bottom. Feed the whole thing with an AC voltage supply, top to bottom. You will need a scope with horizontal input as well as the usual vertical input and a floating ground or full differential input somwehere. (you work out the logic .. maybe a floating AC voltage supply would be enough) Hook the vertical input across the resistor and the horizontal input across the component. Maybe the grounds together in the middle of components and floating supply are good for that??? Been a few years. Now your vertical trace on the scope indicates current (IR drop in the resistor). The horizontal trace indicates voltage drop across the component. You will get the single curve of a component tracer on your scope. ***Component curves*** **shorted = vertical line **open = horizontal line **resistor same as R = 45 degree line **capacitor = circle... me thinks round indicates matching impedance with R at 60Hz?? ** inductor = circle same as cap above?? **zener no current at lower voltages = horiz. line; no voltage increase at higher voltages = vertical line = visible knee at zener voltage - use calibrated scales for measurement **avalanche diode = horizonatal line with foldback and shows current (vertical at higher end) Try it! So simple it stinks but is very visible clue. Watch your scope grounding. "DaveC" wrote in message ... I got the scope, resistor(s). Variac + small transformer = variable AC supply. So describe away! Thanks. Even without the "variable" this can work. Use a high enough DC voltage. There is a method with a scope, resistor and AC supply but it is much more complex for a novice (assuming) |
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On Sep 26, 7:14*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
hmmmm... Now you are pushing my memory hard!!...LOL Let's see. Make a series circuit with the resistor (R) at the top and the component at the bottom. Feed the whole thing with an AC voltage supply, top to bottom.. You will need a scope with horizontal input as well as the usual vertical input and a floating ground or full differential input somwehere. (you work out the logic .. maybe a floating AC voltage supply would be enough) Hook the vertical input across the resistor and the horizontal input across the component. Maybe the grounds together in the middle of components and floating supply are good for that??? Been a few years. Now your vertical trace on the scope indicates current (IR drop in the resistor). The horizontal trace indicates voltage drop across the component. You will get the single curve of a component tracer on your scope. ***Component curves*** **shorted = vertical line **open = horizontal line **resistor same as R = 45 degree line **capacitor = circle... me thinks round indicates matching impedance with R at 60Hz?? ** inductor = circle same as cap above?? **zener no current at lower voltages = horiz. line; no voltage increase at higher voltages = vertical line = visible knee at zener voltage - use calibrated scales for measurement **avalanche diode = horizonatal line with foldback and shows current (vertical at higher end) Try it! So simple it stinks but is very visible clue. Watch your scope grounding. "DaveC" wrote in message ... I got the scope, resistor(s). Variac + small transformer = variable AC supply. So describe away! Thanks. Even without the "variable" this can work. Use a high enough DC voltage.. There is a method with a scope, resistor and AC supply *but it is much more complex for a novice (assuming) Sim this in LTSpice Version 4 SHEET 1 880 680 WIRE 64 64 -16 64 WIRE 224 64 144 64 WIRE 256 64 224 64 WIRE -16 128 -16 64 WIRE 224 144 224 64 WIRE -16 272 -16 208 WIRE 112 272 -16 272 WIRE 224 272 224 208 WIRE 224 272 112 272 WIRE 112 288 112 272 FLAG 112 288 0 FLAG 256 64 Vout SYMBOL zener 240 208 R180 WINDOW 0 24 72 Left 0 WINDOW 3 -145 31 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName D1 SYMATTR Value BZX84C15L SYMATTR Description Diode SYMATTR Type diode SYMBOL res 160 48 R90 WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName R1 SYMATTR Value 47k SYMBOL voltage -16 112 R0 WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 0 WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName V1 SYMATTR Value SINE(0 30 50) TEXT -50 312 Left 0 !.tran 200m |
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