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Copper Oxide rectifier advice
Firstly could someone confirm it is a CuO rectifier
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...et/CuO_rec.jpg steel bolt mount is horizontal, from a mid 30s Avo, "Mark 1" valve/tube tester, discs about 3/4 inch diameter, gives only about 4V dc. Assuming functional replacement with a 1N4007, what value of sag resistor? Is the functional part just the 6 central discs and the outer discs are just insulators/strain relief, they seem a bit more than that ? |
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N_Cook wrote:
Firstly could someone confirm it is a CuO rectifier http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...et/CuO_rec.jpg steel bolt mount is horizontal, from a mid 30s Avo, "Mark 1" valve/tube tester, discs about 3/4 inch diameter, gives only about 4V dc. Assuming functional replacement with a 1N4007, what value of sag resistor? Is the functional part just the 6 central discs and the outer discs are just insulators/strain relief, they seem a bit more than that ? Yes I can confirm that it is a Copper Oxide rectifier ! If I can find the right box probably have a new one kicking around. Made by Ferranti if I recall. Antique Radio may have some data on it ! -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:46:00 +0100, "N_Cook" put
finger to keyboard and composed: Firstly could someone confirm it is a CuO rectifier http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...et/CuO_rec.jpg steel bolt mount is horizontal, from a mid 30s Avo, "Mark 1" valve/tube tester, discs about 3/4 inch diameter, gives only about 4V dc. See http://www.xcvcorp.com/PIC00035.jpg .... and ... http://www.xcvcorp.com/PIC00039.jpg .... at ... http://www.xcvcorp.com/Electronics%20Museum%20HTML.html Assuming functional replacement with a 1N4007, what value of sag resistor? Is the functional part just the 6 central discs and the outer discs are just insulators/strain relief, they seem a bit more than that ? - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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Copper Oxide rectifier advice
If the reverse capability of CuO is only 6 volts how can a 6 disc one be
used for anode/plate supply? |
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On Apr 8, 2:19*pm, "N_Cook" wrote:
If the reverse capability of CuO is only 6 volts how can a 6 disc one be used for anode/plate supply? Copper oxide was used for low voltage rectifiers. For anode supply rectifiers they used selenium. Selenium rectifires were most commonly seen with cooling fins, but if the dissipation was low, conduction cooling through the mounting stud was adequate. What you showed could easily be a selenium type, and selenium has a rating of about 30-50V per plate so a 6 plate would be good for 180-300V. The rectifier in the Heath V7-A VTVM was a tiny stud mounted block [~ 5/8" cube] and it was rated, IIRC, for 50mA and 150V. Neil S. |
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nesesu wrote in message
... On Apr 8, 2:19 pm, "N_Cook" wrote: If the reverse capability of CuO is only 6 volts how can a 6 disc one be used for anode/plate supply? Copper oxide was used for low voltage rectifiers. For anode supply rectifiers they used selenium. Selenium rectifires were most commonly seen with cooling fins, but if the dissipation was low, conduction cooling through the mounting stud was adequate. What you showed could easily be a selenium type, and selenium has a rating of about 30-50V per plate so a 6 plate would be good for 180-300V. The rectifier in the Heath V7-A VTVM was a tiny stud mounted block [~ 5/8" cube] and it was rated, IIRC, for 50mA and 150V. Neil S. There is no HT capacitor associated with the anode/plate HT, what is the result of feeding high voltage ac to the anode/plate of a tube/valve? and then just rectify a small ac voltage for feeding the meter , for testing purposes |
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N_Cook wrote: nesesu wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 2:19 pm, "N_Cook" wrote: If the reverse capability of CuO is only 6 volts how can a 6 disc one be used for anode/plate supply? Copper oxide was used for low voltage rectifiers. For anode supply rectifiers they used selenium. Selenium rectifires were most commonly seen with cooling fins, but if the dissipation was low, conduction cooling through the mounting stud was adequate. What you showed could easily be a selenium type, and selenium has a rating of about 30-50V per plate so a 6 plate would be good for 180-300V. The rectifier in the Heath V7-A VTVM was a tiny stud mounted block [~ 5/8" cube] and it was rated, IIRC, for 50mA and 150V. Neil S. There is no HT capacitor associated with the anode/plate HT, what is the result of feeding high voltage ac to the anode/plate of a tube/valve? and then just rectify a small ac voltage for feeding the meter , for testing purposes Copper rectifiers were used to convert DC meters to AC meters. Look at the schematic of old VOM with AC/DC functions. Copper rectifiers have a very low forward drop, and the use of another type of rectifier will change the calibration. A silicon diode is not a good replacement in most circuits. A modern replacement would be an 'Ideal Rectifier' circuit, using an opamp to offset the forward voltage drop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_rectifier has a brief description. Several semiconductor OEM cover the details in their application notes. My collection is on another computer right now, but ON, national, or anyone who makes opamps should have one in their list of application notes. -- And another motherboard bites the dust! |
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Lynn wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:39 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Copper rectifiers were used to convert DC meters to AC meters. You're full of ****. **** You. Nice response Lynn, we all learned something today. So who **** in your Wheaties this morning? Jeff |
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"Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message
... Lynn wrote: On Apr 9, 2:39 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Copper rectifiers were used to convert DC meters to AC meters. You're full of [deleted] Nice response Lynn, we all learned something today. Jeff, look at the headers, another troll... "Let It Be", to quote the Beatles... |
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seems these testers drove the valves to be tested with ac as very difficult
to get a regulated DC supply over the required ranges, wheras for well enough regulated ac, only required different taps on the mains transformer. |
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In "N_Cook" writes:
There is no HT capacitor associated with the anode/plate HT, what is the result of feeding high voltage ac to the anode/plate of a tube/valve? They only work half the time. Here's a (not the best) schematic as far as I've gotten things traced for an old piece of medical gear: http://www.gothicdigital.com/wappler/Wappler.png I'm not sure what you would call this topology; a self-rectifying oscillator? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- |
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