Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3 (or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner, and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM, as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive, but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous, distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3 (or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner, and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM, as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive, but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous, distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

Have you taken a close look at the 8-track cart you're using for an
audio source? The pressure pad that is used to push the tape against
the head is usually a cheap metal springy strip with an even cheaper
foam piece glued in the middle. Those old 8-track carts are notorious
for the foam disintegrating with age. If the tape doesn't make good
contact with the head, it's not gonna sound too good.

I discovered this a couple of years ago when I was trying to transfer
some 30 year old vinyl LPs and 8-tracks to CD - had to refurbish the
pressure pad on nearly every 8-track.

Here's a good online resource:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/

Jerry

"Jerry" wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3
(or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the
time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner,
and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability
problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM,
as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like
birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive,
but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am
hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first
place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including
track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both
channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous,
distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp
somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the
time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as
I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well
familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

Have you taken a close look at the 8-track cart you're using for an
audio source? The pressure pad that is used to push the tape against
the head is usually a cheap metal springy strip with an even cheaper
foam piece glued in the middle. Those old 8-track carts are notorious
for the foam disintegrating with age. If the tape doesn't make good
contact with the head, it's not gonna sound too good.

I discovered this a couple of years ago when I was trying to transfer
some 30 year old vinyl LPs and 8-tracks to CD - had to refurbish the
pressure pad on nearly every 8-track.

Here's a good online resource:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/

Jerry


Thanks both. I'll look into them tomorrow, but I don't think that it's going
to be either of them. The noise on the audio has got a distinctly
'electronic feel' about it. It's very hard to describe, but if it was on one
channel only, rather than both, you'd be looking for a rustling cap or a
noisy transistor - you know the sort of noise ?

Arfa

On Sep 20, 8:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Jerry" wrote in message

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On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3
(or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the
time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner,
and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability
problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM,
as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like
birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive,
but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am
hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first
place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including
track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both
channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous,
distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp
somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the
time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as
I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well
familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

Have you taken a close look at the 8-track cart you're using for an
audio source? The pressure pad that is used to push the tape against
the head is usually a cheap metal springy strip with an even cheaper
foam piece glued in the middle. Those old 8-track carts are notorious
for the foam disintegrating with age. If the tape doesn't make good
contact with the head, it's not gonna sound too good.

I discovered this a couple of years ago when I was trying to transfer
some 30 year old vinyl LPs and 8-tracks to CD - had to refurbish the
pressure pad on nearly every 8-track.

Here's a good online resource:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/

Jerry

Thanks both. I'll look into them tomorrow, but I don't think that it's going
to be either of them. The noise on the audio has got a distinctly
'electronic feel' about it. It's very hard to describe, but if it was on one
channel only, rather than both, you'd be looking for a rustling cap or a
noisy transistor - you know the sort of noise ?

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

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I know you're not looking for generic advice but I had a Delco Am/FM/
cassete radio in my 1983 Buick years ago. It had small micro switches
that engaged when you loaded the tape. They used to have to be sprayed
regularly. And that would do the trick for a while. It was a bitch of
a job getting at them without pulling the radio too. Finally I broke
down and disassembled them and resurfaced the contacts inside and that
was the end of the problem. That statically crackling you are
describing sounds very reminiscent of my old car. Lenny Stein, Barlen
Electronics

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On Sep 20, 8:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
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On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco
15CFMT3
(or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black,
each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have
a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the
time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner,
and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability
problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on
AM,
as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like
birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit
insensitive,
but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am
hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first
place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's
not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including
track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both
channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable.
It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous,
distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the
volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I
am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp
somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the
time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it,
as
I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well
familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the
model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

Have you taken a close look at the 8-track cart you're using for an
audio source? The pressure pad that is used to push the tape against
the head is usually a cheap metal springy strip with an even cheaper
foam piece glued in the middle. Those old 8-track carts are notorious
for the foam disintegrating with age. If the tape doesn't make good
contact with the head, it's not gonna sound too good.

I discovered this a couple of years ago when I was trying to transfer
some 30 year old vinyl LPs and 8-tracks to CD - had to refurbish the
pressure pad on nearly every 8-track.

Here's a good online resource:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/

Jerry

Thanks both. I'll look into them tomorrow, but I don't think that it's
going
to be either of them. The noise on the audio has got a distinctly
'electronic feel' about it. It's very hard to describe, but if it was on
one
channel only, rather than both, you'd be looking for a rustling cap or a
noisy transistor - you know the sort of noise ?

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know you're not looking for generic advice but I had a Delco Am/FM/
cassete radio in my 1983 Buick years ago. It had small micro switches
that engaged when you loaded the tape. They used to have to be sprayed
regularly. And that would do the trick for a while. It was a bitch of
a job getting at them without pulling the radio too. Finally I broke
down and disassembled them and resurfaced the contacts inside and that
was the end of the problem. That statically crackling you are
describing sounds very reminiscent of my old car. Lenny Stein, Barlen
Electronics


Thanks Lenny. It could well be something like that, but I didn't see any
microswitches that you could get at, and it looks like a major dismantling
job to either get below the deck, or above the radio PCB, and if that is the
case, then I am not going to go further for lack of time / interest. I only
got it (reluctantly) in the first place, because I do a lot of hifi repairs
for the shop in question, and blundered in there last Friday and got cajoled
into taking it "just for a quick look" by the lad who does all of the in-car
stuff, and looks about old enough to have just come out of junior school !
He had never even seen an 8 track, but figured that I would be ancient
enough to know all about it. Boy, I feel old sometimes, now ...

Arfa

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On Sep 20, 8:47 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Jerry" wrote in message

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On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco
15CFMT3
(or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black,
each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have
a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the
time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner,
and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability
problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on
AM,
as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like
birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit
insensitive,
but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am
hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first
place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's
not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including
track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both
channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable.
It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous,
distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the
volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I
am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp
somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the
time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it,
as
I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well
familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the
model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

Have you taken a close look at the 8-track cart you're using for an
audio source? The pressure pad that is used to push the tape against
the head is usually a cheap metal springy strip with an even cheaper
foam piece glued in the middle. Those old 8-track carts are notorious
for the foam disintegrating with age. If the tape doesn't make good
contact with the head, it's not gonna sound too good.

I discovered this a couple of years ago when I was trying to transfer
some 30 year old vinyl LPs and 8-tracks to CD - had to refurbish the
pressure pad on nearly every 8-track.

Here's a good online resource:
http://www.8trackheaven.com/

Jerry

Thanks both. I'll look into them tomorrow, but I don't think that it's
going
to be either of them. The noise on the audio has got a distinctly
'electronic feel' about it. It's very hard to describe, but if it was on
one
channel only, rather than both, you'd be looking for a rustling cap or a
noisy transistor - you know the sort of noise ?

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know you're not looking for generic advice but I had a Delco Am/FM/
cassete radio in my 1983 Buick years ago. It had small micro switches
that engaged when you loaded the tape. They used to have to be sprayed
regularly. And that would do the trick for a while. It was a bitch of
a job getting at them without pulling the radio too. Finally I broke
down and disassembled them and resurfaced the contacts inside and that
was the end of the problem. That statically crackling you are
describing sounds very reminiscent of my old car. Lenny Stein, Barlen
Electronics

Thanks Lenny. It could well be something like that, but I didn't see any
microswitches that you could get at, and it looks like a major dismantling
job to either get below the deck, or above the radio PCB, and if that is the
case, then I am not going to go further for lack of time / interest. I only
got it (reluctantly) in the first place, because I do a lot of hifi repairs
for the shop in question, and blundered in there last Friday and got cajoled
into taking it "just for a quick look" by the lad who does all of the in-car
stuff, and looks about old enough to have just come out of junior school !
He had never even seen an 8 track, but figured that I would be ancient
enough to know all about it. Boy, I feel old sometimes, now ...

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey don't knock ancient. We have more experience in our little fingers
than that all too well meaning kid probably has in his whole arm. In
spite of all that though, I don't think I ever worked on a Delco 8
track but I do remember the first time I looked at my Buick radio. It
truly seemed impossible to work on the transport but a further really
close inspection finally revealed 4 small screws that held the entire
transport in. After unplugging and removing it, working on it was a
simple job. Perhaps your 8 track is similar. Give it a really good
eyballing. Some of the older Delco stuff was really miserable to work
on but you might be lucky. Lenny Stein, Barlen Electronics.

Arfa Daily wrote:

Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3 (or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner, and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM, as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive, but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous, distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

15CFMT3 = Sams AR-114
25CFMT3 = not listed.


I have a copy of Sams AR-114, if you need any information from it.
I'll try to dig it out for you. The biggest failure in most of the
various models was noisy or dead transistors, or motor noise from the
motor's speed control circuit, caused by poor grounds or bad
capacitors. A failing motor would arc, and radiate noise into the
preamp, as well. A scope made short work of that problem. I worked on
hundreds of those Delco 8 track tape decks in the '70s.


AR-114 was published in 1972, probably in February.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Sams-Index.html Is a chart by
year of publication. This information isn't in the Sams electronic
index. If anyone has any newer data, I would appreciate it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/HWSAr.html is a list of the AR
manuals I have on hand at this time.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:

Any of you good ol' boys across the pond, familiar with a Delco 15CFMT3
(or
might be a 25CFMT3 as it has two stickers on it, one red, one black, each
purporting to be the "service model number" ).

It's from a vintage Chevy, I believe, and a colleague asked me to have a
quick look, and that's all it's gonna be, as I really don't have the
time.
Initially, it had instability at about 50Hz, dependant on vol control
setting, It has a multi-section can-type cap in the back right corner,
and
this seems to be open circuit on one of its sections. I hung a 1000uF
temporarily across the bad section, and that knocked the instability
problem
on the head. I then tried the radio. There is plenty of livliness on AM,
as
in it picks up a few stations, and there are lots of shortwave-like
birdies,
but that is without a proper antenna connected, and in an electrically
pretty noisy environment (my shop!). On FM, it seems a bit insensitive,
but
again, that might be down to a poorly matched rod antenna that I am
hanging
on it. I don't know how well these old fellas performed in the first
place.
If they were anything like British ones from the same era, then it's not
very well as I remember.

So, on to the 8 track bit of it. Mechanically, it all works, including
track
selection, but audio-wise, there is just a horrendous mess on both
channels.
There may be audio at the back of it all, but nothing recognisable. It's
hard to describe the noise. Sort of a very random, but continuous,
distorted
'crackle'. Both channels exactly the same, and controlled by the volume
control. Given that the radio section / output stage works (sorta !) I am
guessing that this other problem must be in the 8 track head amp
somewhere.
I really am not going to go looking for it, as I really don't have the
time
or the inclination. I am not looking for general repair advice on it, as
I
repair hifi equipment for a living as most of you know, so am well
familiar
with fault finding. All I am looking for is if anyone remembers the model
and can say " Oh yes, That was a really common problem. It's C29 " or
whatever.

So, anyone got anything for me ? TIA

Arfa

15CFMT3 = Sams AR-114
25CFMT3 = not listed.


I have a copy of Sams AR-114, if you need any information from it.
I'll try to dig it out for you. The biggest failure in most of the
various models was noisy or dead transistors, or motor noise from the
motor's speed control circuit, caused by poor grounds or bad
capacitors. A failing motor would arc, and radiate noise into the
preamp, as well. A scope made short work of that problem. I worked on
hundreds of those Delco 8 track tape decks in the '70s.


AR-114 was published in 1972, probably in February.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Sams-Index.html Is a chart by
year of publication. This information isn't in the Sams electronic
index. If anyone has any newer data, I would appreciate it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/HWSAr.html is a list of the AR
manuals I have on hand at this time.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Thanks for the offer Michael, but the moment has gone now. The guy that gave
it to me has had it back. There was an O/C section on a multi section
can-type electro at the back right corner. Bridging that got the radio going
reasonably ( there was a loud "hum" previously which I guess was LF
instability rather than actual hum, it being DC car equipment ). When an 8
track cart was pushed in though, it seemed not to produce any audio, other
than a loud random crackle, which did indeed sound as though it might well
be a noisy transistor, or even resistor. Still, it was only a 'favour' job,
and I was never going to spend any real time on it, so I called it a day
with the radio working. Thanks again anyway. I knew there would be someone
on here that knew a bit about them ;-)

Arfa