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"International" capacitors
I am looking for International capacitors info,
On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken |
"International" capacitors
On 4 Apr, 14:15, "pk" wrote:
I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken sounds kinda like you have the relevant info already. NT |
"International" capacitors
Unless you are looking for "exact" mechanical replacements which may be next
to impossible and new electrolytic capacitors of the same Uf and voltage rating will work perfectly and they will probably be much smaller that the older originals. The values that you mentioned are not that hard to find but you while the 450 V voltage rating may be common you may have to sub a 22 Uf for the 20 Uf unit and possibly an 82 Uf or even a 100 Uf for the 80 Uf unit.... should not be any kind of a problem with the sub values since most electrolytics have a fairly wide tolerance rating. Daniel Sofie Electronics Supply & Repair - - - - - - "pk" wrote in message ... I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken |
"International" capacitors
pk wrote: I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. What exactly do you want to know ? The name rings no bells with me. That company may either have gone bust or merged with another. Are you one of those clowns who think that PSU caps have to be so authentic as to come from the same batch lest the sound of the guitar will change ? Graham |
"International" capacitors
I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel
much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. "pk" schreef in bericht ... I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken |
"International" capacitors
No Graham, i am not that type of clown.
I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. "Eeyore" schreef in bericht ... pk wrote: I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. What exactly do you want to know ? The name rings no bells with me. That company may either have gone bust or merged with another. Are you one of those clowns who think that PSU caps have to be so authentic as to come from the same batch lest the sound of the guitar will change ? Graham |
"International" capacitors
pk wrote:
I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. This is one of those things audiophools will argue endlessly on. Really so long as the rating is correct there should be no difference at all between one capacitor and another. "High Temperature Dynamics" sounds like meaningless marketing speak. Have you tried Mallory and Sprague caps yourself? They're well known brands with a quality product that should perform as well as anything, I'm curious as to how they sound or "feel" inferior. |
"International" capacitors
On Apr 4, 9:15 am, "pk" wrote:
I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken all capaciters are internationel. they don' make capaceters in the united states. |
"International" capacitors
On 5 Apr, 19:56, "pk" wrote:
I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Its easy to form these opinions from listening tests, but it doesnt make it reality. Get a couple people to run a double blind test for you and you'll not be able to tell which is which. NT |
"International" capacitors
Mallory and Spraque have a more stiffer feel , touch, some runs are
difficult to play, they might be too good? "James Sweet" schreef in bericht news:xKbRh.5976$k%2.2946@trndny01... pk wrote: I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. This is one of those things audiophools will argue endlessly on. Really so long as the rating is correct there should be no difference at all between one capacitor and another. "High Temperature Dynamics" sounds like meaningless marketing speak. Have you tried Mallory and Sprague caps yourself? They're well known brands with a quality product that should perform as well as anything, I'm curious as to how they sound or "feel" inferior. |
"International" capacitors
On Apr 5, 12:57 pm, "pk" wrote:
No Graham, i am not that type of clown. I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. "Eeyore" schreef in ... pk wrote: I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. What exactly do you want to know ? The name rings no bells with me. That company may either have gone bust or merged with another. Are you one of those clowns who think that PSU caps have to be so authentic as to come from the same batch lest the sound of the guitar will change ? Graham- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
"International" capacitors
pk:
BS ALERT: The electrolytic cap values you mentioned are most likely B + Filter Caps and are absolutely not involved in audio stage coupling functions where someone "may" have a very very small argument regarding types of caps affecting the objective (not measureable) sound quality. Take Sofie's advice and just replace them and no one will know the difference except you of course.... and you will continue to think that the sound is not what it should be. This is a mental thing.... get a grip and get over it. I bet you also believe that your interconnecting cables and speaker wires have to be bi-radially wound, oxygen free copper, 06 guage with gold connectors @ $15 per foot.... and on a blind A/B test you could not tell the difference if someone substitued cheapo cables and wire on typical length cable runs. electricitym On Apr 5, 12:57 pm, "pk" wrote: No Graham, i am not that type of clown. I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. |
"International" capacitors
pk:
I wish I had the "international caps" you are looking for.... I could make some real money here. "stiffer feel" read between the lines...... "snake oil" electricitym pk wrote: I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. |
"International" capacitors
pk wrote:
Mallory and Spraque have a more stiffer feel , touch, some runs are difficult to play, they might be too good? Huh? The whole point of a filter capacitor is to "stiffen" the power supply, filtering out the ripple. If you want a less effective capacitor, put a resistor in series with it. I think the difference is all mental though. |
"International" capacitors
pk wrote: I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? In order for there to be a difference, audible or otherwise, you'd have to provide a meaningful explanation of why one company's microfarads behave differently to another company's microfarads ! And *then* additionally why the caps in the power supply would be audible in the sound. It's not as if they're in the direct signal path ! Have you actually considered measuring their value ? I wouldn't mind betting that the caps you're saying sound better have actually dried out and their value is a fraction of the value printed on the can. That *would* affect the amplifier's dynamics. You could mimic that effect by using new caps of lower value than original. Graham |
"International" capacitors
pk wrote: No Graham, i am not that type of clown. I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. I suggest you address yourself to the issue of this 'better sound and feel' and what exactly you mean by it. I'd almost put money on those International caps being a fraction of their original value. This is what happens to electrolytics over time. By replacing them you're restoring the amplifier to original condition and you no longer like that sound. I can assure you that 'back in the days' when your amp was designed, no-one believed in capacitors having any special sonic effects so you can be sure they weren't chosen for that reason. Do you have a capacitance meter ? Graham |
"International" capacitors
James Sweet wrote: pk wrote: I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. This is one of those things audiophools will argue endlessly on. Really so long as the rating is correct there should be no difference at all between one capacitor and another. "High Temperature Dynamics" sounds like meaningless marketing speak. Have you tried Mallory and Sprague caps yourself? They're well known brands with a quality product that should perform as well as anything, I'm curious as to how they sound or "feel" inferior. I'll bet you that the original caps have lost value through ageing. Graham |
"International" capacitors
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"International" capacitors
pk wrote: Mallory and Spraque have a more stiffer feel , touch, some runs are difficult to play, they might be too good? Now you've proven yourself to be barking mad. Do please explain how the capacitors make it difficult to play ! Look, have a good night's sleep and start again. Graham |
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"International" capacitors
Eeyore wrote:
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"International" capacitors
Thank you for your reaction,I understand your reply.I am not into fancy
hi-fi gear, that won t work for a Fender guitaramp I have been an professional jazz and latinplayer over the past 30 years, playing virtuoso. I simply can play more easy with those( international) more modern?) capacitors than with the Atom Spragues and old Mallory s, The sound respond(projection) is better too. Peter. schreef in bericht ups.com... pk: BS ALERT: The electrolytic cap values you mentioned are most likely B + Filter Caps and are absolutely not involved in audio stage coupling functions where someone "may" have a very very small argument regarding types of caps affecting the objective (not measureable) sound quality. Take Sofie's advice and just replace them and no one will know the difference except you of course.... and you will continue to think that the sound is not what it should be. This is a mental thing.... get a grip and get over it. I bet you also believe that your interconnecting cables and speaker wires have to be bi-radially wound, oxygen free copper, 06 guage with gold connectors @ $15 per foot.... and on a blind A/B test you could not tell the difference if someone substitued cheapo cables and wire on typical length cable runs. electricitym On Apr 5, 12:57 pm, "pk" wrote: No Graham, i am not that type of clown. I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. |
"International" capacitors
Thanks Graham , I will try the lower values.
"Eeyore" schreef in bericht ... pk wrote: I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? In order for there to be a difference, audible or otherwise, you'd have to provide a meaningful explanation of why one company's microfarads behave differently to another company's microfarads ! And *then* additionally why the caps in the power supply would be audible in the sound. It's not as if they're in the direct signal path ! Have you actually considered measuring their value ? I wouldn't mind betting that the caps you're saying sound better have actually dried out and their value is a fraction of the value printed on the can. That *would* affect the amplifier's dynamics. You could mimic that effect by using new caps of lower value than original. Graham |
"International" capacitors
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From: pk Sent: Apr 5, 2007 2:59 AM To: Subject: "International" Capacitors( Vintage) Hi Mike thanks for your reaction. I asked this question because the International caps perform, sound and feel much better than Mallory and Sprague Atom in a Fender Blackface Twin, I dont know why. Printed on the caps : HTD : High Temperature Dynamics( for high temperature) Could this affect the feel and sound in a Fender Twin amp? Thanks Peter. They were typical japanese electrolytics of their day, and the quality and construction changed over the years. I would compare the ESR of those parts to newer capacitors. They probably used a thicker insulation to hold more electrolyte, so it didn't evaporate as fast. Standard Electrolytics were 65 degrees Centigrade, today you can get 85, 105, and I beleve 125 degree parts. The specifications on newere electrolytics is much tighter, they are made in smaller pacakges which mean thinner insulating layers, and some early Electrolytics only had a connection where the wire entered the cap, so there was also some inductance in the component. I don't ever rember seing any datasheets on their parts, just a few US parts houses selling them for repair work. "pk" schreef in bericht ... I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken |
"International" capacitors
Brittany Martin wrote:
On Apr 4, 9:15 am, "pk" wrote: I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken all capaciters are internationel. they don' make capaceters in the united states. It was a brand name of imported repair parts from Japanese and other countries sold in the US in the '60s and '70s. Tubes, capacitors, resistors and i think they had some connectors in their product line. They were about half the price of American made parts and some shops used as much of their stuff as they could to maximize their profits. Other shops stuck to American made parts, or OEM for repairs. Yes, America still makes capacitors, but only the higher grades for industrial and military applications. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"International" capacitors
Have you actually considered measuring their value ? I wouldn't mind betting that the caps you're saying sound better have actually dried out and their value is a fraction of the value printed on the can. That *would* affect the amplifier's dynamics. You could mimic that effect by using new caps of lower value than original. The capacitance value usually stays pretty close, what happens is the ESR increases, so a smaller value cap won't do it, but a resistor in series will. |
"International" capacitors
James Sweet wrote: Have you actually considered measuring their value ? I wouldn't mind betting that the caps you're saying sound better have actually dried out and their value is a fraction of the value printed on the can. That *would* affect the amplifier's dynamics. You could mimic that effect by using new caps of lower value than original. The capacitance value usually stays pretty close, what happens is the ESR increases, so a smaller value cap won't do it, but a resistor in series will. The capacitance may decrease too. Graham |
"International" capacitors
On Apr 4, 6:15 am, "pk" wrote:
I am looking for International capacitors info, On the cap is written: Japan, International, C. They might be vintage They came with a Fenter amp from the USA 80 Uf 450 volts 20 Uf 450 volts I have pics of them. Thank you Peter Kluken It doesn't matter who made the capacitor, all capacitors do one thing, that is capacit. You are a ****ing moron. I hope you are found dead on Christmas morning down a chimney dressed up as Santa. |
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