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A friend of mine brought me an ailing LCD projector; he said that
during a football game it went "pop" and everything went dark. We
powered it up and everything appeared to work normally, but there was
no light output. The bulb appeared to be fine, so I told him we could
probably expect to take it apart and find pieces of transistor all over
the inside.

Sure enough, the power supply has a bipolar power transistor that freed
one of its leads in an effort to escape. I normally do not deal with
power circuits, but I am wondering if we can just replace the
transistor (I would be inclined to replace all 4 of them) and see if
that fixes things. Is this reasonable? Is there anything else I should
replace? Should I do this in a well-ventilated area free of combustible
materials with a fire extinguisher handy?

My second question: The exploded BJT is a Sanken 2sc4297, absolute max
collector current of 12A. I am tempted to replace it with a 10A
Panasonic 2sc3975, which is otherwise mostly identical. Is this a bad
idea? I have no idea how much current actually goes through the bulb.
If anyone can suggest a source for the original Sanken part, I'd
appreciate it. I've gotten Allegro to send me free samples before, but
I don't know how many times I can get away with it.

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A friend of mine brought me an ailing LCD projector; he said that
during a football game it went "pop" and everything went dark. We
powered it up and everything appeared to work normally, but there was
no light output. The bulb appeared to be fine, so I told him we could
probably expect to take it apart and find pieces of transistor all over
the inside.

Sure enough, the power supply has a bipolar power transistor that freed
one of its leads in an effort to escape. I normally do not deal with
power circuits, but I am wondering if we can just replace the
transistor (I would be inclined to replace all 4 of them) and see if
that fixes things. Is this reasonable? Is there anything else I should
replace? Should I do this in a well-ventilated area free of combustible
materials with a fire extinguisher handy?

My second question: The exploded BJT is a Sanken 2sc4297, absolute max
collector current of 12A. I am tempted to replace it with a 10A
Panasonic 2sc3975, which is otherwise mostly identical. Is this a bad
idea? I have no idea how much current actually goes through the bulb.
If anyone can suggest a source for the original Sanken part, I'd
appreciate it. I've gotten Allegro to send me free samples before, but
I don't know how many times I can get away with it.


Don't know whereabouts you are, but Dalbani in the UK keep it, and ship
worldwide.

www.dalbani.co.uk

Is the power supply that has blown, the one for the lamp drive circuit ? I'm
assuming that it is as you say the rest of the unit seems to work normally.
You might be lucky, and it be no more than the transistor. I'm not sure how
you determined that the lamp is ok. These are normally a plasma discharge
device, that requires careful start, run and shutdown management, so have
their own power supply, sometimes referred to as the " ballast unit " by
some manufacturers. It runs under the control of the system micro.
Basically, a high voltage is put across the lamp to start the discharge, and
the current monitored. Once the plasma arc is established, the voltage is
dropped to a maintenance level of around 90v if I recall correctly.

Be sure that you don't touch the lamp face, as this can lead to black finger
marks forming. If you do get it going, and run it with the covers off and
safety over-rides defeated, do not look directly at the lamp, particularly
through the optics.

Arfa


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Is the power supply that has blown, the one for the lamp drive circuit ? I'm
assuming that it is as you say the rest of the unit seems to work normally.
You might be lucky, and it be no more than the transistor. I'm not sure how
you determined that the lamp is ok. These are normally a plasma discharge
device, that requires careful start, run and shutdown management, so have
their own power supply, sometimes referred to as the " ballast unit " by
some manufacturers. It runs under the control of the system micro.



Thanks for the tip. I do not know for a fact that the lamp is good, but
I've seen used and new ones and I didn't think this one looked damaged
at all. I am pretty sure the lamp drive is the problem; there are two
hv leads coming from the board with the fried BJT.

Can you point me to some good info on how these lamps work? I have been
googling around unsuccessfully for a while. All I seem to get is
retailers selling lamps.

I agree with you that it would be lucky for me if the transistor was
the only problem, but if I can attempt a repair cheaply enough I'll
give it a go. I'm assuming that the rest of the power supply is okay
because the menus and powerup/powerdown functions seem to work normally
(as far as I can tell without visual feedback).

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Yupper, That's the ballast assembly, you may also find items fried in the HV
and controller sections. Maybe it would be wise to contact the manufacturer
to see if the whole ballast is available at a reasonable price.
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Arfa Daily wrote:

Is the power supply that has blown, the one for the lamp drive circuit ?
I'm
assuming that it is as you say the rest of the unit seems to work
normally.
You might be lucky, and it be no more than the transistor. I'm not sure
how
you determined that the lamp is ok. These are normally a plasma discharge
device, that requires careful start, run and shutdown management, so have
their own power supply, sometimes referred to as the " ballast unit " by
some manufacturers. It runs under the control of the system micro.



Thanks for the tip. I do not know for a fact that the lamp is good, but
I've seen used and new ones and I didn't think this one looked damaged
at all. I am pretty sure the lamp drive is the problem; there are two
hv leads coming from the board with the fried BJT.

Can you point me to some good info on how these lamps work? I have been
googling around unsuccessfully for a while. All I seem to get is
retailers selling lamps.

I agree with you that it would be lucky for me if the transistor was
the only problem, but if I can attempt a repair cheaply enough I'll
give it a go. I'm assuming that the rest of the power supply is okay
because the menus and powerup/powerdown functions seem to work normally
(as far as I can tell without visual feedback).



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Arfa Daily wrote:

Is the power supply that has blown, the one for the lamp drive circuit ?
I'm
assuming that it is as you say the rest of the unit seems to work
normally.
You might be lucky, and it be no more than the transistor. I'm not sure
how
you determined that the lamp is ok. These are normally a plasma discharge
device, that requires careful start, run and shutdown management, so have
their own power supply, sometimes referred to as the " ballast unit " by
some manufacturers. It runs under the control of the system micro.



Thanks for the tip. I do not know for a fact that the lamp is good, but
I've seen used and new ones and I didn't think this one looked damaged
at all. I am pretty sure the lamp drive is the problem; there are two
hv leads coming from the board with the fried BJT.

Can you point me to some good info on how these lamps work? I have been
googling around unsuccessfully for a while. All I seem to get is
retailers selling lamps.

I agree with you that it would be lucky for me if the transistor was
the only problem, but if I can attempt a repair cheaply enough I'll
give it a go. I'm assuming that the rest of the power supply is okay
because the menus and powerup/powerdown functions seem to work normally
(as far as I can tell without visual feedback).


I have found

http://www.tvtechnology.com/features...07.07.04.shtml

http://www.icpig.uni-greifswald.de/p...ata/Pekarski_1

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question387.htm

These links should give you the idea on how these plasma discharge lamps
work

Arfa


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