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Richard Crowley wrote:
"J" wrote ... My goal is a box to which I can connect my stereo receiver inputs and outputs that will simplify the connection from one entertainment cabinet to another - condensing to a single cable (my dreaded DB25 cable ![]() expands the connectors back out to their respective composite video, svideo, component video, audio(red white), digital multichannel audio, etc. rca panelmount connectors. My question is: While building the box 1) Must I shield individual lines soldered from rca panel-mounts to my db25 connector inside the metal box, AND If you keep the audio at one end and the video at the other end you *might* be able to get away without shielding the internal wiring. 2), Would a doubleshielded twisted pair cable (with db25 connector, standard issue printer switch cable) effectively transmit things like component, composite, svideo, digital audio which were originally on 75ohm coaxial cables? It is questionable whether it will work acceptably well for audio in your application. (See more complete discussion below.) I would bet that it will make a hash out of any video (particuarly high-quality video) that you try to run through it. How effective is shielding on a cable when the + solder points are not shielded inside of a box? Still quite effective. It is over the length of the cable that the shielding is beneficial, not just at the connection point. I plan to make the connections in the box with Belkin 8451. 22 ga shielded 2 conductor. Assuming you mean "Belden", a well regarded maker of wire and cable. That would be great for the audio lines. I wouldn't use it for video if I had a choice of proper coaxial cable (whether 75-ohm or some other impedance which doesn't really matter for short pieces). ...you are making sport of my question. No, I was trying to clarify what you are asking. It may appear to you that some of the information you left out was not important, but that is because you may not understand the scope of the questions you are asking. Now, there ARE some people on Usenet who DO make sport of people's questions (and far worse). I suggest that you need to develop considerably thicker skin and get a pair of asbestos undershorts if you intend to hang around some of these newsgroups very much. ;-) What kind of gear was implied when I asked about specific signal types: Component video, Composite, Svideo, and audio -10,+4. If we can assume from your mention of component video that you have high-end video equipment (as contrasted with a cheapo 12" TV set), then any thought of running video through any kind of printer cable should be put out of your mind. The video will look like a "dog's breakfast" when you are done and you will have wasted both your time and your money. People frequently come here [I am reading and posting from rec.audio.tech] and ask about very expensive audio and video cables and whether they are worth the extra expense. The overwhelming answer is: No, their high price only enriches the people selling the premium cables and they do nothing discernable for your audio or video. OTOH, you can't expect to run high-quality video over cable which was never designed for that kind of band- width or impedance-control. Just as there is a threshold above with you cannot *improve* your video signals, so also there is a threshold below which you are just wasting your time and money. If you object to the way I cross-examined you or responded to your questions, I apologize, I was trying to do a complete job of understanding the circumstances in order to give an accurate answer. The websites I've seen are selling twisted pair double shielded DB25M-DB25M cables. I think you can surmise that a double shielded twisted pair DB25 Cable is some sort of cable that is double shielded with twisted pairs and DB25 Connectors on the ends. ![]() You are operating so close to the edge that it was not safe to make that kind of assumption. Those cables are likely very nice for parallel printers. Maybe even overkill (as for the "premium" audio and video cables discussed above) That cable *might* even be OK for audio, although the lack of shielding between the twisted pairs may give you more crosstalk than you would like. Particularly with unbalanced sources and inputs. And running something like an unshielded tape output and a tape input line next to each other could even cause oscillation, audible or supersonic, which could actually damage speaker tweeters or other parts of your system. I would definitely NOT recommend the type of cable you want to use for either audio or video use. If you want to make something that has several audio and video cables in a long, flat form-factor, you could consider taking 10-ft lengths of proper audio and video coax and "weaving" them together with cable-lacing twine, where the cables form the long dimension, and the lacing twine weaves across them to hold them in a flexible ribbon shape. J: If you use well shielded audio and video cables, and part of the goal is to have a nice neat equipment wiring harness, you could pick-up plastic split-channel or spiral wrap and use that instead of going to all the trouble of lacing wires. Plastic channel is available in a few different diameters. Keep the equipment power lines and amplifier output wires separate from the others. Another step to include is to make sure that you label all connector ends, this will save your sanity and avoid guessing games. |
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