Michael A. Terrell writes:

So he gives more in dollars, but a LOT less in percentage of income
or total worth.

That's not true. He has already given away perhaps 6% of his total
lifetime worth. How many ordinary people have given away $100,000?

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wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

So he gives more in dollars, but a LOT less in percentage of income
or total worth.

That's not true. He has already given away perhaps 6% of his total
lifetime worth. How many ordinary people have given away $100,000?

What about % of income above the level to comfortably sustain an
individual/family? Someone earning $50k a year giving 6% is digging
deeper than someone earning $500k giving 6%, at least potentially.

Tom

if this had anything to do with Science hardware or electronics it would be
interesting. Suffice it to say that anyone who gives anything without
expecting something in return would be a great thing. However, charity, is
the furthest thing from most peoples minds, that give huge amounts of money
to anyone. Its all bout the business end of things.

"Tom MacIntyre" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:31:45 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

So he gives more in dollars, but a LOT less in percentage of income
or total worth.

That's not true. He has already given away perhaps 6% of his total
lifetime worth. How many ordinary people have given away $100,000?

What about % of income above the level to comfortably sustain an
individual/family? Someone earning $50k a year giving 6% is digging
deeper than someone earning $500k giving 6%, at least potentially.

Tom

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:31:45 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

So he gives more in dollars, but a LOT less in percentage of
income or total worth.

That's not true. He has already given away perhaps 6% of his
total lifetime worth. How many ordinary people have given away
$100,000?

What about % of income above the level to comfortably sustain an
individual/family? Someone earning $50k a year giving 6% is
digging deeper than someone earning $500k giving 6%, at least
potentially.

Without question, someone giving away 6% of personal wealth that
they could not spend in 10 lifetimes is meaningless.

If I may inject some considerations. Money itself doesn't matter
except for a feeling of security. Richness doesn't necessarily mean
greedy. Possessions are a good indicator IMO. Also, time spent doing
something matters. Spending 6% of your time helping other people is
meaningful. Whether giving 6% of your income is charitable just
depends.

If I had as much money, I might never stop shopping and
get very little done.

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:31:45 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

So he gives more in dollars, but a LOT less in percentage of income
or total worth.

That's not true. He has already given away perhaps 6% of his total
lifetime worth. How many ordinary people have given away $100,000?

How many people _have_ $1,666,666.67 to give away 6% _OF_? (which, BTW,
is probably a serious underestimate of Uncle Billy's "total lifetime
worth".)

If I have ten bucks in my pocket, and I give a street bum a buck,
am I more generous than Bill Gates, since that's 10% of my entire
wealth?

And another thing - there's a serious misunderstanding going around that
says that "size of pile of money" can in any way be related to "worth".

Just ask Nicklaus:
http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omri/Humor/real-progstory.html
;-P

Cheers!
Rich

JAD wrote:

if this had anything to do with Science hardware or electronics it would be
interesting. Suffice it to say that anyone who gives anything without
expecting something in return would be a great thing. However, charity, is
the furthest thing from most peoples minds, that give huge amounts of money
to anyone. Its all bout the business end of things.


You are right. They get tax breaks for the big donations, but
someone who gives money or other gifts that can barely scrape by is
giving a lot more. When was the last time a billionaire given away every
cent they owned?

Its east to give away $100,000 when its just pocket change. I have
given away my last $5 to a friend who needed money to eat when I had no
job, and not enough food to feed myself the next day.

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Tom MacIntyre writes:

What about % of income above the level to comfortably sustain an
individual/family? Someone earning $50k a year giving 6% is digging
deeper than someone earning $500k giving 6%, at least potentially.

If you play with figures long enough, you can make Bill Gates look
stingy no matter how much money he gives away. But he is still giving
away billions of dollars, and he only has $50 billion to play with.

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Michael A. Terrell writes:

Its east to give away $100,000 when its just pocket change. I have
given away my last $5 to a friend who needed money to eat when I had no
job, and not enough food to feed myself the next day.

How noble of you. I'm sure nobody else ever does that.

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John Doe writes:

Without question, someone giving away 6% of personal wealth that
they could not spend in 10 lifetimes is meaningless.

How much money does he have to give away before it meets your personal
definition of meaningful?

Spending 6% of your time helping other people is
meaningful. Whether giving 6% of your income is charitable just
depends.

On whether you are hated as much as Bill Gates or not, apparently.

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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian writes:

If I have ten bucks in my pocket, and I give a street bum a buck,
am I more generous than Bill Gates, since that's 10% of my entire
wealth?

It depends on many things.

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"Never Mind" wrote in
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:46:23 -0700, do_not_spam_me wrote:

I'm looking for a techical explanation.

Somewhere in the Far East there is a big factory making ****loads of
crystals. These crystals have a nominal spec, but are subject to
tolerances.

Somewhere in that factory these crystals are measured. Those closest to
the designated frequency are shipped to Seiko, the farthest to Dell.

Watches tend to spend a lot of time strapped to a temperature-regulated
heat source (a human). PCs usually are not.

As mentioned in previous (non-technical) replies, PCs are not often
used
as timepieces, so lower tolerance (cheaper) components will be used.




I'll add that frequency of opperation will depend on supply
voltage. So the difference between running on battery 2.5V
and running on AC 5.0 to 3.3V (depending on chipset) will cause
the clock to gain or loose time.

Parasitic capacitance also affects opperational frequency.
These are tightly controled in a watch, but are of little
concern in a PC.

Solution: Get a program called Dimension 4. It runs on startup,
syncs your PC clock to an internet time server, then exits. It
can work in other modes too.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

Its easy to give away $100,000 when its just pocket change. I have
given away my last $5 to a friend who needed money to eat when I had no
job, and not enough food to feed myself the next day.

How noble of you. I'm sure nobody else ever does that.

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I don't claim to be "noble", and I know that others have done it, but
not enough have done it. I just did what I thought was right, at that
time. I've been homeless twice in my life and I know what its like to go
days at a time without food.

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Central Florida

Gordon reeder writes:

Solution: Get a program called Dimension 4. It runs on startup,
syncs your PC clock to an internet time server, then exits. It
can work in other modes too.

Note that XP already has provisions for automatic synchronization over
the Net.

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 05:57:39 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Michael A. Terrell writes:

Its easy to give away $100,000 when its just pocket change. I have
given away my last $5 to a friend who needed money to eat when I had no
job, and not enough food to feed myself the next day.

How noble of you. I'm sure nobody else ever does that.

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I don't claim to be "noble", and I know that others have done it, but
not enough have done it. I just did what I thought was right, at that
time. I've been homeless twice in my life and I know what its like to go
days at a time without food.

I've been "homeless" too, and if you go "days without food" you're not
begging properly.

Did you know that it's possible to make $10.00-$20.00/hour begging in the
streets? It's true, it takes a little bit of experience to get past that
false pride, but hey, it's cash! And expecially[SIC] if you're
demonstrably a crip, you could probably make better money than I am, who
is only an ordinary ugly hairy guy.

And sometimes people give me stuff like a whole baked chicken in a deli
box, or 5/8 of a pizza, and more than once, someone has donated some pot.
Guess I'm glad I'm not some kind of arrogant republican who's all stuck
on keeping up appearances. One time, some guy asked, "What's the money
for?" I said, "Drugs and alcohol." He gave me a $20.00 bill.

Life is an adventure. I'm a mad metascientist, and my life is my
laboratory. Why the **** would I want to try to do the same thing billions
and billions of people have done before me, and wind up dead anyway?

Guess I lucked out on the medical side - I'm a Veteran, so I can just
trundle on down to Long Beach if I need medical attention. Which I don't
need very often, probably because I love myself the way I am. :-)

Good Luck!
Rich

your begging the old fashioned way and you have internet access? Get with it
man, I'm a Technobum. I don't need to deal with the elements. I sit in blogs
and virtual street corners, I make twice that.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of you will
earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to be tax
evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...

He should give a goddam sight more than he does. S.O.B. got
rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it
MS-DOS. Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in
government so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way
and became very very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the
street tried it, they would probably throw him so deep in the
slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.

"Gary H" wrote in message
.. .
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of you
will
earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to be
tax
evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...

He should give a goddam sight more than he does. S.O.B. got
rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it
MS-DOS. Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in
government so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way
and became very very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the
street tried it, they would probably throw him so deep in the
slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.


whishing it was you don't you? Don't lie. You wish he was your best friend,
nieghbor, your clone.....

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.

Gary H writes:

He should give a goddam sight more than he does. S.O.B. got
rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it
MS-DOS. Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in
government so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way
and became very very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the
street tried it, they would probably throw him so deep in the
slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.

I'll call it envy, thinly disguised.

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JAD wrote:
"Gary H" wrote in message
.. .

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of you

will

earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to be

tax

evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...

He should give a goddam sight more than he does. S.O.B. got
rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it
MS-DOS. Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in
government so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way
and became very very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the
street tried it, they would probably throw him so deep in the
slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.



whishing it was you don't you? Don't lie. You wish he was your best friend,
nieghbor, your clone.....


I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.



No, no no it's not true. :-)

Gary H wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of
you will
earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to be
tax
evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...


He should give a goddam sight more than he does.

None of your business what he gives nor does it matter what you think he
'should'.

S.O.B. got rich by
stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it MS-DOS.

And CPM was 'stolen' from Digital Equipment Corp RT-11 right down to pip
but if you think MS-DOS looks like CPM then you never used CPM.

On the other hand one wonders how he ran the 'stolen' 8 bit 8080 CMP code
on 16 bit processors.

Daddy
was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in government so, true to
the American way, Billy got his own way and became very very rich. If
some other poor S.O.B. off the street tried it, they would probably
throw him so deep in the slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.

He got rich because instead of bitching about it he went ahead and did it.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.

Yep.

David Maynard wrote:
Gary H wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of
you will
earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to
be tax
evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...



He should give a goddam sight more than he does.


None of your business what he gives nor does it matter what you think he
'should'.

S.O.B. got rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and
calling it MS-DOS.


And CPM was 'stolen' from Digital Equipment Corp RT-11 right down to pip
but if you think MS-DOS looks like CPM then you never used CPM.

On the other hand one wonders how he ran the 'stolen' 8 bit 8080 CMP
code on 16 bit processors.

Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in government
so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way and became very
very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the street tried it, they
would probably throw him so deep in the slammer they'd have to pump
sunshine to him.


He got rich because instead of bitching about it he went ahead and did it.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.


Yep.


Well, opinions *are* allowed and no, he got rich because mom and
pop made sure things were fast-tracked and I'm not bitching I've
got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.

Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 05:57:39 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

I don't claim to be "noble", and I know that others have done it, but
not enough have done it. I just did what I thought was right, at that
time. I've been homeless twice in my life and I know what its like to go
days at a time without food.

I've been "homeless" too, and if you go "days without food" you're not
begging properly.


I never begged. I found odd jobs and paid for my own food. I may have
slept in my truck and taken showers at a relatives house, but I was
never a bum. They were paid for their kindness by doing repair work on
their homes, cars or whatever needed worked on.

Did you know that it's possible to make $10.00-$20.00/hour begging in the
streets? It's true, it takes a little bit of experience to get past that
false pride, but hey, it's cash! And expecially[SIC] if you're
demonstrably a crip, you could probably make better money than I am, who
is only an ordinary ugly hairy guy.


Around here that will get you arrested. The homeless live in the
Ocala national forest and are treated like trash. A lot of them a re
veterans we are trying to help find jobs and get back on their feet but
most want nothing to do with anyone outside of their camouflaged camps.

Yes, I have to use a cane, but the only thing I want from that is for
people to leave me enough room to walk with it and not for them to blow
their horn and scream obscenities when I walk across a marked crossing
from the parking lot into a store.

And sometimes people give me stuff like a whole baked chicken in a deli
box, or 5/8 of a pizza, and more than once, someone has donated some pot.
Guess I'm glad I'm not some kind of arrogant republican who's all stuck
on keeping up appearances. One time, some guy asked, "What's the money
for?" I said, "Drugs and alcohol." He gave me a $20.00 bill.

Life is an adventure. I'm a mad metascientist, and my life is my
laboratory. Why the **** would I want to try to do the same thing billions
and billions of people have done before me, and wind up dead anyway?


yeah, life is an adventure. With my health i would have never made it
into the space program, but I built a lot of communications gear for
NASA, including equipment that is in orbit.

Guess I lucked out on the medical side - I'm a Veteran, so I can just
trundle on down to Long Beach if I need medical attention. Which I don't
need very often, probably because I love myself the way I am. :-)

Good Luck!
Rich


I'm a veteran, too. US Army, 26T20 MOS. In fact, I'm on a 100% VA
disability now but back in the mid '70s the VA refused to help me, but
the "Soldiers and Sailor's Relief Fund" gave me a whole $25 to help pay
my bills and told that was all I would ever get from them.

I am on medication for high blood pressure, Diabetes, and severe
swelling in my legs. The medication for the Diabetes was doubled six
months ago, and a new drug was added last week. The consulting surgeon
from Shands Hospital in Gainsville (A large teaching and research
hospital across the street from the VA hospital) told me last month that
they have decided not to operate on my carpal tunnel because they don't
think it will help me. They also recommended against severing the nerves
along the outside of my left arm because I would loose almost all
feeling in my left arm. The nerve damage causes a constant tingle like
a mild electric shock from my little finger up past my elbow. Then
there is something wrong with my left leg. It will buckle without
warning, so I use a cane most of the time. When I don't, I have to lock
my knee and walk that way to keep from falling.

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Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell writes:

I never begged. I found odd jobs and paid for my own food. I may have
slept in my truck and taken showers at a relatives house, but I was
never a bum.

Beggars and bums are not synonymous. There are situations and times
in which some people may be temporarily reduced to begging without
this necessarily reflecting upon their habitual industry. It is true
that someone who chooses voluntarily to make a career of begging over
the long term may be somewhat of a bum, particularly in developed
countries where so many other options exist.

Around here that will get you arrested. The homeless live in the
Ocala national forest and are treated like trash. A lot of them are
veterans we are trying to help find jobs and get back on their feet but
most want nothing to do with anyone outside of their camouflaged camps.

Yours must be a very cruel society.

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Gary H writes:

Well, opinions *are* allowed and no, he got rich because mom and
pop made sure things were fast-tracked and I'm not bitching I've
got plenty to keep me warm and happy.

Many people refuse to believe that anyone could become more successful
than themselves through purely legitimate means because it implies
that these such a person might be smarter than they are, and they
cannot accept this possibility.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Many people refuse to believe that anyone could become more successful
than themselves through purely legitimate means because it implies
that these such a person might be smarter than they are, and they
cannot accept this possibility.

Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me?
I know Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question
about it. I didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief
with accomplices before and after the fact. Why do you have to
make it complicated? :-)

Gary H writes:

Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me?

I don't recall mentioning you. Hmm.

I know Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question
about it. I didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief
with accomplices before and after the fact. Why do you have to
make it complicated?

Do you find "dime-store" psychology to be complicated?

Bill Gates is no more a thief than any other corporate CEO. He
happens to be the founder of a very successful company, and the
founders of successful companies are routinely demonized, typically
without any rational basis for doing so.

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Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Gary H wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

BTW, Mr. Gates gives more money to charity each year than most of
you will
earn in a lifetime... I suppose some of you will consider that to
be tax
evasion....

I'm still not sure why my freaking clock runs slow...... lol....

Good day...




He should give a goddam sight more than he does.



None of your business what he gives nor does it matter what you think
he 'should'.

S.O.B. got rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and
calling it MS-DOS.



And CPM was 'stolen' from Digital Equipment Corp RT-11 right down to
pip but if you think MS-DOS looks like CPM then you never used CPM.

On the other hand one wonders how he ran the 'stolen' 8 bit 8080 CMP
code on 16 bit processors.

Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big **** in government
so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way and became very
very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the street tried it, they
would probably throw him so deep in the slammer they'd have to pump
sunshine to him.



He got rich because instead of bitching about it he went ahead and did
it.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.



Yep.


Well, opinions *are* allowed

Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say you
couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop
made sure things were fast-tracked

Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM into
contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.

and I'm not bitching

It's precisely what you're doing.

I've got plenty
to keep me warm and happy. How about you.

None of your business.

Gary H wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Many people refuse to believe that anyone could become more successful
than themselves through purely legitimate means because it implies
that these such a person might be smarter than they are, and they
cannot accept this possibility.


Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me? I know
Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question about it. I
didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief with accomplices
before and after the fact. Why do you have to make it complicated? :-)


Because you demonstrate the trait even in the denial of it.

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed


Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say you
couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.

Never said it was my business, just stated an opinion.


and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked


Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM into
contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.

It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.


and I'm not bitching


It's precisely what you're doing.

Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could
go on all day.


I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.


None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gary H writes:


Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me?


I don't recall mentioning you. Hmm.

Inferred.

I know Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question
about it. I didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief
with accomplices before and after the fact. Why do you have to
make it complicated?


Do you find "dime-store" psychology to be complicated?

Nope, just useless.

Bill Gates is no more a thief than any other corporate CEO. He
happens to be the founder of a very successful company, and the
founders of successful companies are routinely demonized, typically
without any rational basis for doing so.


Non sequitur. I wasn't discussing the matter nor comparing the
individual to anyone else. Just making a statement.

David Maynard wrote:

Because you demonstrate the trait even in the denial of it.


Jeeze, another would be amateur psychologist. Lawd hep us!!

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed



Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say you
couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.


Never said it was my business,

You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any of
your business.

just stated an opinion.

And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked



Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.


It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.

You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me to do
your supporting research.


and I'm not bitching



It's precisely what you're doing.


Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.

It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.

None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?

I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief, liar,
whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty', or some
other pejorative.

David Maynard wrote:
Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed




Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say
you couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.



Never said it was my business,


You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any
of your business.

just stated an opinion.


And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked




Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.



It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.


You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me to
do your supporting research.


and I'm not bitching




It's precisely what you're doing.



Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.


It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.


None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?


I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief,
liar, whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty', or
some other pejorative.


I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

I find that most folks like the BGs of the world, you know, the
Rockefellers and such...
Their money always seems to become more respectable, the older
it gets.

As for me, just a point of view and that's about as simple as
it gets. If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these
poor helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Defend as much as you wish, go to war for them, bow and pray to
them, so what. It still boils down to opinion and all the
arguing in the world isn't going to change that.

When it comes to folks like them, you would like to be able to
kiss ass, I'd like to be able to kick ass. See, just a
different point of view. Get over it.

So, further response on this one would seem unnecessary on my part.

Have a good day, maybe Bill will send you a Christmas card.
Postage due. :-)

"Gary H" wrote in message
...
David Maynard wrote:
Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed




Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say
you couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.



Never said it was my business,


You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any
of your business.

just stated an opinion.


And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked




Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.



It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.


You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me to
do your supporting research.


and I'm not bitching




It's precisely what you're doing.



Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.


It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.


None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?


I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief,
liar, whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty', or
some other pejorative.


I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

I find that most folks like the BGs of the world, you know, the
Rockefellers and such...
Their money always seems to become more respectable, the older
it gets.

As for me, just a point of view and that's about as simple as
it gets. If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these
poor helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Defend as much as you wish, go to war for them, bow and pray to
them, so what. It still boils down to opinion and all the
arguing in the world isn't going to change that.

When it comes to folks like them, you would like to be able to
kiss ass, I'd like to be able to kick ass. See, just a
different point of view. Get over it.

So, further response on this one would seem unnecessary on my part.

Have a good day, maybe Bill will send you a Christmas card.
Postage due. :-)

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well its
nonsense.

JAD wrote:

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well its
nonsense.

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the
other mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a
break.

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

"Gary H" wrote in message
...
JAD wrote:

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping
when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought
out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well
its
nonsense.

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the
other mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a
break.

Ahhhh I C now where its coming from...... and here I thought it actually
had something to do with money and Bill Gates........



Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

Gary H writes:

It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.

Those of us who were there are not deceived by revisionist histories.
In those days, it was big bad IBM versus tiny helpless Microsoft, not
the other way around. Microsoft didn't (and couldn't) twist IBM's
arm.

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Gary H writes:

I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

Are you asking or asserting?

Some people have naturally rich vocabularies. The fact that they use
them doesn't mean that they are showing off, although it might seem
that way to people with more limited vocabularies.

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Gary H writes:

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gary H writes:


Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.


No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.


:-) As you wish.