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On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:10:05 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: http://www.xkcd.com/841 Pretty funny. Interesting how Usenet text has always been crystal clear, 5-by-5. Maybe Sloman can tell us what this circuit does, and what the resistance of the 1 ohm array is. ** Array calculations done two ways. 1) Via delta-to-wye transformations and wye-to-delta transformations as well as simplifications where appropiate. See Array.PDF and note the following: Page one shows an enlargement of the original drawing with placement for wye and delta transformations color coded to value. Page 2 shows actual replacement, with color coding. Note blue is used for one-half ohm resistors, black for one ohm and red for 2 ohms. In Page 3, simplification has been done and the next step of transformations is indicated in green. In a similar manner, Pages 4 and 5 show that the array has been reduced; not some resistors now are negative or zero. In pages 6 and 7, the array was further reduced. Page 8 shows the intermediate result, with "construction" lines; orange for two ohm wye-to-delta and greenfor the other transformation. Page 9 shows the results while keeping the color coding. Page 10 ("A") shows the net parallel value of 1.5 & 2.5 ohms as well as the parallel value of the two one ohm resistors. A delta-to-wye transformation is indicated for the next step. The transformation has been done, shown on Page 11 ("B"). A simplified version is shown on Page 12 ("C"). Again a parallel value was calculated and shown on Page 13 ("D"). The net value is also shown (0.527183179 ohms approximately). 2) An attempt was made to duplicate the array AKA mess in SPICE just for kicks; note the net resistance is quite different. So, there is at least one error in one or both schemes as shown. Comments? 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Robert Baer wrote:
** copied from SED: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:10:05 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: http://www.xkcd.com/841 Pretty funny. Interesting how Usenet text has always been crystal clear, 5-by-5. Maybe Sloman can tell us what this circuit does, and what the resistance of the 1 ohm array is. ** Array calculations done two ways. 1) Via delta-to-wye transformations and wye-to-delta transformations as well as simplifications where appropiate. See Array.PDF and note the following: Page one shows an enlargement of the original drawing with placement for wye and delta transformations color coded to value. Page 2 shows actual replacement, with color coding. Note blue is used for one-half ohm resistors, black for one ohm and red for 2 ohms. In Page 3, simplification has been done and the next step of transformations is indicated in green. In a similar manner, Pages 4 and 5 show that the array has been reduced; not some resistors now are negative or zero. In pages 6 and 7, the array was further reduced. Page 8 shows the intermediate result, with "construction" lines; orange for two ohm wye-to-delta and greenfor the other transformation. Page 9 shows the results while keeping the color coding. Page 10 ("A") shows the net parallel value of 1.5 & 2.5 ohms as well as the parallel value of the two one ohm resistors. A delta-to-wye transformation is indicated for the next step. The transformation has been done, shown on Page 11 ("B"). A simplified version is shown on Page 12 ("C"). Again a parallel value was calculated and shown on Page 13 ("D"). The net value is also shown (0.527183179 ohms approximately). 2) An attempt was made to duplicate the array AKA mess in SPICE just for kicks; note the net resistance is quite different. So, there is at least one error in one or both schemes as shown. Comments? Found that there is a problem in the delta-to-wye conversion; it ain't as simple as what i used. For example, taking a delta configuration of all one-ohm resistors would give a wye configuration of 1/3 ohm resistors, not one-half ohm. Just that alone raises the net value from above 0.5 ohm to above 0.67 ohm. |
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