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Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan:
Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Is Obama "The Manchurian Candidate" Trained and Planted by Osama? |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com |
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Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( No cite? Odd. |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Is Obama "The Manchurian Candidate" Trained and Planted by Osama? |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message Upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 I'm going to bet it's a PLL... :-) |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:53:21 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message Upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 I'm going to bet it's a PLL... :-) That would normally be a good guess. But, in this case, it's wrong. Chip is an RFID Tag, designed originally on an old 0.6um AMIS process. And used with a separate microprocessor. Now going onto a 0.35um TSMC process and will be immersed into a uP chip. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. Was it like the IBD editorial, where it says you can't except as described in the paragraph, then leaves off the rest of the paragraph? |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com Page 16 of the bill. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:08:42 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. Was it like the IBD editorial, where it says you can't except as described in the paragraph, then leaves off the rest of the paragraph? ****ing leftist weenie... it's Page 16 of the bill. How can you live a life of lies? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Is Obama "The Manchurian Candidate" Trained and Planted by Osama? |
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"flipper" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Apparently page 16 of the bill. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...32548165656854 It isn't just that you "can't go back" but you can't switch private plans either nor can you opt for one should your employer dumps his for the 'cheaper' government plan nor if you left to, say, start your own business. 'New' private plans are banned from the date of the bill's passage so Obama is being a charlatan when he says you can 'keep' the plan you have. It's 'technically' true but intended to leave an impression different than that 'technicality'. It is really a testament to a civil society when are legislators can bury this type of thing and live to laugh about it. I wonder how long civility can last. Sadly, Mike |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com Page 16 of the bill. Page 19 states individual coverage may be offered if it is an exchange-participating plan. End of hoax. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_234372.html Do you guys always get this excited over a first version of a bill from just the House? |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:08:42 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. Was it like the IBD editorial, where it says you can't except as described in the paragraph, then leaves off the rest of the paragraph? ****ing leftist weenie... it's Page 16 of the bill. And the part that makes your comment a lie is on page 19. How can you live a life of lies? |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:27:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson The House server is flaky. I finally got a full copy and posted it to my own website to make it easier for you all to see what **** can come forth from Democrats... www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HR3200_Health.pdf AND: Any sane observer can also see that middle class taxes are required to pay for this. Congress doesn't understand that doubling a tax rate DOES NOT DOUBLE revenue. When they see that, guess what? Enjoy! ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Is Obama "The Manchurian Candidate" Trained and Planted by Osama? |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:35:14 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:08:42 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. Was it like the IBD editorial, where it says you can't except as described in the paragraph, then leaves off the rest of the paragraph? ****ing leftist weenie... it's Page 16 of the bill. And the part that makes your comment a lie is on page 19. How can you live a life of lies? Looks like you're too dense to cope with the double-speak on that page. Get your lawyer to interpret it for you ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:35:14 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:08:42 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. Was it like the IBD editorial, where it says you can't except as described in the paragraph, then leaves off the rest of the paragraph? ****ing leftist weenie... it's Page 16 of the bill. And the part that makes your comment a lie is on page 19. How can you live a life of lies? Looks like you're too dense to cope with the double-speak on that page. That would be an opinion, and one offered by someone who apparently falls for every right wing lie out there. Get your lawyer to interpret it for you ;-) No prob - since large chunks of the bill are obviously there to regulate private insurance, this hoax will be professionally defused within 48 hours, and I'm content to wait. =) |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:18:59 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote: flipper wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:50:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: [snip] Also see Sec. 155, ensuring adequacy of provider networks, on page 24, and (b) Choice of Coverage, on pages 25-26. Section 115, not 155. Look, no one disputes that you are 'free to chose' what the government dictates. The issue is you would *not* be free to chose, nor could a provider offer, a plan that deviates from the government dictate, whether you think it would be in your best interests or not. That's not Jim's initial claim. See top of thread. Yep. I'm free to choose a Maserati... except it won't allowed without penalties so high as to make it unattainable :-( Why are liberals so ignorant? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Liberals are so cute. *Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute. |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:27:36 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson The House server is flaky. I finally got a full copy and posted it to my own website to make it easier for you all to see what **** can come forth from Democrats... www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HR3200_Health.pdf AND: Any sane observer can also see that middle class taxes are required to pay for this. Congress doesn't understand that doubling a tax rate DOES NOT DOUBLE revenue. When they see that, guess what? Enjoy! Ah, thanks, this one is copyable. (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of 5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health 7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance 8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.- 11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in 12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance 13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first 16 day of Y1. In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified. You guys will fall for anything. lol |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:18:59 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:50:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: [snip] Also see Sec. 155, ensuring adequacy of provider networks, on page 24, and (b) Choice of Coverage, on pages 25-26. Section 115, not 155. Look, no one disputes that you are 'free to chose' what the government dictates. The issue is you would *not* be free to chose, nor could a provider offer, a plan that deviates from the government dictate, whether you think it would be in your best interests or not. That's not Jim's initial claim. See top of thread. Yep. I'm free to choose a Maserati... except it won't allowed without penalties so high as to make it unattainable :-( Why are liberals so ignorant? Why are you lying? (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of 5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health 7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance 8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.- 11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in 12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance 13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first 16 day of Y1. In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified. You guys will fall for anything. lol |
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flipper wrote:
Obama's oft repeated claim is you will be able to keep your current plan, if you like, or chose the government plan. Now, as I said from the get go, his words are 'technically correct' but what he intentionally leads one to believe is you will have the choice of any plan you 'like' Heh - should have read a little further - this elementary school redefinition crap is comedy gold!!!! (Zero-evidence bloviations snipped) |
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Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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In article ,
flipper wrote: I did not 'move the goal posts' and you snipping out the explanation provided does not change the truth of it. The issue is "choice" and when government removes it by mandate then you do not have "choice." That won't be allowed to happen. Sorry, pal, but you have no power of 'mandate'. As I read the bill (and I certainly haven't read all of it), here's what I *think* would happen, if it were to pass and go into effect. There would probably be three different classes of health plans in existence: [1] Private "exchange-participating" plans. These would be privately- offered-and-managed insurance plans, which meet certain standards (for service and coverage) defined in the bill. These plans could accept new members once the bill was in effect. [2] A government-operated plan. This plan would also meet the standards for coverage defined in the bill. It, also, would accept new members - presumably those people who could not get coverage from a privately-offered exchange-participating plan. [3] "Grandfathered" plans - those private plans which were in effect before the bill went into effect. These plans might or might not meet the standards for service and coverage described in the bill - if not, they would not be "exchange-participating" and could not accept new members after the bill goes into effect. If my understanding is correct, then the following questions would have the following answers: "If I have an existing health plan, can I keep it? If so, for how long?" Yes. For as long as your current provider/insurer wants to keep offering it to you. "If I stick with my existing health plan, would this plan automatically be required to provide me with all of the services and coverage laid out in the bill?" No. "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, can I go back to this same plan?" Only if the plan meets the qualifications of a "exchange- participating plan". If it doesn't meet those qualifications... if it doesn't offer some services or coverage that's required by such plans... then the plan would not be allowed to accept you as a "new member". "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, would I be forced to use only the government-operated plan?" No. You could have a choice of either the government-operated plan, or any "exchange-partitipating" plan offered by a private insurer or provider. That could include an "exchange-participating" plan offered by your current insurer or provider. That's how I read it. I'll be interested to see how the professionals analyze it. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:02:34 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote: flipper wrote: [snip] Look, no one disputes that you would be 'free to chose' what the government dictates. The issue is you would *not* be free to chose, nor could a provider offer, a plan that deviates from the government dictate, whether you think it would be in your best interests or not. Sounds like any government regulation anywhere. (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of 5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health 7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance 8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.- 11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in 12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance 13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first 16 day of Y1. In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified. You guys will fall for anything. lol So no new offering can be considered. I repeat... Why are Democrats so ignorant? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Is Obama "The Manchurian Candidate" Trained and Planted by Osama? |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:41:37 -0500, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:25:59 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: [snip] In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified. That's right. And this is how Obama manages to get his 'technically correct' wording to fly. As long as you have it 'now' you can keep it but after the bill is passed your 'choices' are "government mandated." That is the 'game' part to 'sell' it. You can 'keep' what you've got, to fool people into thinking "this won't affect 'me'," but, according to the people who 'favor' this strategy of deception, after about 10 years or so these will fade away by attrition because, should your status change, you will have only one choice: the government dictated plans which, themselves, will fade away because they will not, by design, be able to 'compete' with a government that can, as has already been demonstrated, regulate it's 'competitor', tax whoever it pleases, including it's 'competitor', and infinitely deficit spend whether it has the money or not. To call that 'competition' is a farce and an even bigger farce when Obama opines he just can't 'see' how private enterprise could have a problem 'competing' with government. But, then, charlatan nonsense is his modus operandi, unless you want to claim he's incredibly stupid. You guys will fall for anything. lol This "Ouroboros Rex" seems so ignorant I'm tempted to think he's NymNoNuts in another disguise, but the originating IP doesn't match. However he's certainly proved himself worthy of being ignored ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Liberals are so ignorant... They don't even know the definition of ignorant |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:44:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( To really put things into the proper light here... Consider what our new admin has been doing to us and the nation since it began... Then think.. have you ever seen what the elephant does before it actually gets its screw on? Are you aware of just how in control of its prick the elephant is? "Can't say you wont feel this one, boys. You may not feel much afterwards, however..." I can only hope that after the screwing this country gets, it will finally wake up and realize that we need another party, one with actual seats on the congressional and senate floors. And at least half of you democratic party sheep should wake up and realize that the dems ain't what they claim themselves to be and jump ship. Truth be told, not a damned one of them are worth a **** any more, because they ALL turn their heads and look the other way when one of their own ****s up. It was bad enough when cops did it. |
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Jim Thompson wrote: Chip is an RFID Tag, designed originally on an old 0.6um AMIS process. And used with a separate microprocessor. Now going onto a 0.35um TSMC process and will be immersed into a uP chip. Is that the one with the "Tom Del Rosso 8-gate edge-triggered S-R flip flop" used as the phase detector? To quote you from that time, "You are in a product." :) :) :) -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. You lost it a long time ago, that is, if you ever had any credibility to start with. And i'll bring something else to light while i'm on the subject. As I stated in the past, you can not just sit there and leave well enough alone, keeping your foot out of your mouth. The comment I made to Jim had nothing to do with you, how ever, you found it to be an excuse to stick your asshole disposition in there, didn't you? Well, let me enlighten you a little, You are one of the most arrogant, instigating, lack of personality, ass whips that exist here. What's the manner, you have little man's disease? Now, go cry wolf about how you're getting picked on, and you're the lonely wounded little boy.., Yes, I said boy, that's about what you act like when you launch attacks on people that have not address you in any manner or harassed you for some time now. poor excuse for a human, I bet you voted for Oboma, it would be typical. The majority did out of ignorance, it just seems to fit with you. |
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Jamie wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. You lost it a long time ago, that is, if you ever had any credibility to start with. And i'll bring something else to light while i'm on the subject. As I stated in the past, you can not just sit there and leave well enough alone, keeping your foot out of your mouth. The comment I made to Jim had nothing to do with you, how ever, you found it to be an excuse to stick your asshole disposition in there, didn't you? Well, let me enlighten you a little, You are one of the most arrogant, instigating, lack of personality, ass whips that exist here. What's the manner, you have little man's disease? Now, go cry wolf about how you're getting picked on, and you're the lonely wounded little boy.., Yes, I said boy, that's about what you act like when you launch attacks on people that have not address you in any manner or harassed you for some time now. poor excuse for a human, I bet you voted for Oboma, it would be typical. The majority did out of ignorance, it just seems to fit with you. Go away, you boring, illiterate twit. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson I'm on the dole, as you call it, due to permanent disability, but, I've been needing suppliment insurance, up to now simply not paying co-pays if they were too large to handle. Nibbling at them a few $$ here and there. I wonder how that affects folks like me. Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jamie wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. You lost it a long time ago, that is, if you ever had any credibility to start with. And i'll bring something else to light while i'm on the subject. As I stated in the past, you can not just sit there and leave well enough alone, keeping your foot out of your mouth. The comment I made to Jim had nothing to do with you, how ever, you found it to be an excuse to stick your asshole disposition in there, didn't you? Well, let me enlighten you a little, You are one of the most arrogant, instigating, lack of personality, ass whips that exist here. What's the manner, you have little man's disease? Now, go cry wolf about how you're getting picked on, and you're the lonely wounded little boy.., Yes, I said boy, that's about what you act like when you launch attacks on people that have not address you in any manner or harassed you for some time now. poor excuse for a human, I bet you voted for Oboma, it would be typical. The majority did out of ignorance, it just seems to fit with you. Go away, you boring, illiterate twit. Did I stutter? Did you have difficulties comprehending what I said? |
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Jamie wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jamie wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. You lost it a long time ago, that is, if you ever had any credibility to start with. And i'll bring something else to light while i'm on the subject. As I stated in the past, you can not just sit there and leave well enough alone, keeping your foot out of your mouth. The comment I made to Jim had nothing to do with you, how ever, you found it to be an excuse to stick your asshole disposition in there, didn't you? Well, let me enlighten you a little, You are one of the most arrogant, instigating, lack of personality, ass whips that exist here. What's the manner, you have little man's disease? Now, go cry wolf about how you're getting picked on, and you're the lonely wounded little boy.., Yes, I said boy, that's about what you act like when you launch attacks on people that have not address you in any manner or harassed you for some time now. poor excuse for a human, I bet you voted for Oboma, it would be typical. The majority did out of ignorance, it just seems to fit with you. Go away, you boring, illiterate twit. Did I stutter? Did you have difficulties comprehending what I said? Not at all. You always post the same ignorant, illiterate nonsense. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense! |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Better save up for the Black market health care? One word comes to mind, Socialism. Cheers |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:02:36 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson I'm on the dole, as you call it, due to permanent disability, but, I've been needing suppliment insurance, up to now simply not paying co-pays if they were too large to handle. Nibbling at them a few $$ here and there. I wonder how that affects folks like me. Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com I find Mutual of Omaha really fine as a supplemental. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson So basically they are saying: "Fine you go out that door and leave me, you are never coming back, your dead to me". At $17 K per year for private insurance for my spouse and I, "such a deal!" -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P |
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Jamie wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jamie wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:58 -0400, "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Fact, in Obama's "Universal" Health Plan: Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance. Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-( ...Jim Thompson Could you show your source for this 'fact'. Thanks Jim, Garberstreet Electronics http://www.garberstreet.com It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-) Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0 ...Jim Thompson Age kicking in ? :) You know, they say that is one of two things that happen when you get old, the second, you most likely can't remember. And you never knew, dimbulb. You lost it a long time ago, that is, if you ever had any credibility to start with. And i'll bring something else to light while i'm on the subject. As I stated in the past, you can not just sit there and leave well enough alone, keeping your foot out of your mouth. The comment I made to Jim had nothing to do with you, how ever, you found it to be an excuse to stick your asshole disposition in there, didn't you? Well, let me enlighten you a little, You are one of the most arrogant, instigating, lack of personality, ass whips that exist here. What's the manner, you have little man's disease? Now, go cry wolf about how you're getting picked on, and you're the lonely wounded little boy.., Yes, I said boy, that's about what you act like when you launch attacks on people that have not address you in any manner or harassed you for some time now. poor excuse for a human, I bet you voted for Oboma, it would be typical. The majority did out of ignorance, it just seems to fit with you. You lost, get over it. =) |
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UltimatePatriot wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:44:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-( To really put things into the proper light here... Consider what our new admin has been doing to us and the nation since it began... Then think.. have you ever seen what the elephant does before it actually gets its screw on? Are you aware of just how in control of its prick the elephant is? "Can't say you wont feel this one, boys. You may not feel much afterwards, however..." I can only hope that after the screwing this country gets, it will finally wake up and realize that we need another party, one with actual seats on the congressional and senate floors. And at least half of you democratic party sheep should wake up and realize that the dems ain't what they claim themselves to be and jump ship. Truth be told, not a damned one of them are worth a **** any more, because they ALL turn their heads and look the other way when one of their own ****s up. It was bad enough when cops did it. Not at all. The dems are quite happy to toss their misbehaving leaders overboard. Republicans apologize for getting caught while Fox Lies puts a "D" next to their name on TV. lol |
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WangoTango wrote:
In article , says... The issue is not that you would be 'free to chose' what the government dictates. It's that you would *not* be free to chose anything else. Sounds like any government regulation anywhere. EXACTLY the point, get it? Yep. The complainant is in a fantasy world. |
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Dave Platt wrote:
In article , flipper wrote: I did not 'move the goal posts' and you snipping out the explanation provided does not change the truth of it. The issue is "choice" and when government removes it by mandate then you do not have "choice." That won't be allowed to happen. Sorry, pal, but you have no power of 'mandate'. As I read the bill (and I certainly haven't read all of it), here's what I *think* would happen, if it were to pass and go into effect. There would probably be three different classes of health plans in existence: [1] Private "exchange-participating" plans. These would be privately- offered-and-managed insurance plans, which meet certain standards (for service and coverage) defined in the bill. These plans could accept new members once the bill was in effect. [2] A government-operated plan. This plan would also meet the standards for coverage defined in the bill. It, also, would accept new members - presumably those people who could not get coverage from a privately-offered exchange-participating plan. [3] "Grandfathered" plans - those private plans which were in effect before the bill went into effect. These plans might or might not meet the standards for service and coverage described in the bill - if not, they would not be "exchange-participating" and could not accept new members after the bill goes into effect. If my understanding is correct, then the following questions would have the following answers: "If I have an existing health plan, can I keep it? If so, for how long?" Yes. For as long as your current provider/insurer wants to keep offering it to you. "If I stick with my existing health plan, would this plan automatically be required to provide me with all of the services and coverage laid out in the bill?" No. "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, can I go back to this same plan?" Only if the plan meets the qualifications of a "exchange- participating plan". If it doesn't meet those qualifications... if it doesn't offer some services or coverage that's required by such plans... then the plan would not be allowed to accept you as a "new member". "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, would I be forced to use only the government-operated plan?" No. You could have a choice of either the government-operated plan, or any "exchange-partitipating" plan offered by a private insurer or provider. That could include an "exchange-participating" plan offered by your current insurer or provider. That's how I read it. I'll be interested to see how the professionals analyze it. I got just about exactly what you did out of it - looks spot-on to me. |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:02:34 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: [snip] Look, no one disputes that you would be 'free to chose' what the government dictates. The issue is you would *not* be free to chose, nor could a provider offer, a plan that deviates from the government dictate, whether you think it would be in your best interests or not. Sounds like any government regulation anywhere. (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of 5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health 7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance 8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.- 11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in 12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance 13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first 16 day of Y1. In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified. You guys will fall for anything. lol So no new offering can be considered.... ....To be grandfathered. You do know the definition of that, right? Do they let you drive? |
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