George wrote:

Trouble is, without divine endorsement, what's "right" and ethical for one
is not necessarily "right" or ethical for another. People who talk about
"human rights" are no different from those who preach their morality
derived from their deities of choice.


Wrong. We are subject to the same basic ethical rule as everthing else.
If it's good for the survival of the species, it's "right." If it's
bad for the survival of the species, it's "wrong."

Of course it's not that simple. There's long-term vs short-term
survival, the importance attached to a stasble society, etc.. But the
basic rule is there.