Steve Peterson wrote:

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
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Australopithecus scobis wrote:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:46:06 -0700, fredfighter wrote:



The problem is that ID is not obviously true or false and for that
matter,
neither is science. Both can only be argued on philosophical (and
perhaps
utilitarian) grounds. No absolute winner can ever be demonstrated.
Hence
ID is legitimately entitled to as much traction as the scientific belief
system.


Sigh. The paragraph above is wrong is so many ways. Science discovers the
way the world is. The scientific method tests hypotheses against
experiment. When experiment contradicts a hypothesis, the hypothesis is
rejected, or modified and tested again. Science considers falsifiable
hypotheses. "Falsifiable" means that an experiment can be devised which
would, if the hypothesis is false, contradict the hypothesis. Note that
to
be falsifiable, the actual experiment need not
be technically or economically possible at the time of its proposal.
This

OK - let's test your little rant here. Describe an experiment, in
principle,
that could falsify the First Proposition of Science: That a materialist/
mechanist set of methods are *sufficient* to apprehend all that can
(in principle) be known by Reason-Empiricism. Hint: You can't.
All systems of knowlege have non-falsifiable starting propositions,
even your dearly-believed science.


WABOS. Are you teaching Philosopy of Science now? Where do you get this
so-called FPOS? Look here http://www.utilitarianism.com/mill1.htm, for what
John Stuart Mill says about the principles and structure of science. One of
the big problems of this discussion is you invent your own epistemology and
then accuse others of not playing by your rules. There is a well developed
structure and nomenclature available, developed by better minds than yours,
and an immense body of knowledge that is the basis of the disciplines of
science. Catch up before you try to overthrow.



In the absence of a coherent counter-argument, attack the veracity of
your debating partner, eh? That's always easier than responding to
the question as posed I guess ...


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