On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:43:14 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:
Thanx for the nice links, Gunner! You are "Right on" re. the flavor of
ammo. I'm still trying different stuff for my Kimber .22. Attempting
sub-1/4" groups at 50 yards brings out all the variables. As said, I shoot
off a Hart rest and rear butt stock leather shotbag. You are sooooo right
about minimal stock contact. I shoot "std. benchrest" style with my left
hand folded back under the rifle around the rear rest with the stock being
pinched between thumb and forefinger for elevation control. Stock contact
has been eliminated to the extent I am now needing a lighter trigger than
came on the rifle. Pulling off a std.trigger works in opposition to minimal
stock contact; pulls you closer to the rifle; emphasizes heartbeat, etc.
Bob Swinney
Try the "pinch" method of trigger pull. Simply put your thumb behind
the trigger guard, and your forefinger on the trigger..and pinch.
If you are sand bagged/rested...the weapon is self supporting, or may
be lightly stablized with the off hand. This works even with
rough/creepy two stage military triggers.
My long range bench method, is to solidly bag the forend..then
bring my lefthand back under the pistol grip, and by opening or
closing my left fist a bit...I can control elevation and windage,
while my right hand does the pinch method. I regularly shoot the .22
at 200 yrds, which is good practice for centerfires at longer ranges,
wind doping, etc etc.
I generally shoot the 300 Winmag and other high recoil centerfires at
1000yrds, and that requires a normal trigger pull, simply to control
the rifle when it recoils..as do most centerfires unless you have a
good brake installed. The notible exception is the 6.5x55 Swede, which
is quite capable of 600 yrd work this way.
Glad to be of help.
Gunner
"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:05:24 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:
Thanx awl -- so it's 18 x min, 24 x max. Deep breath, release slowly,
hold,
squeeze the trigger - got it. But how do you deal with that pesky heart
beat?
Bob Swinney
When the sights go off target..you hold what you have. When the sights
go back on target, you sqeeze a little more, and so forth. Pretty soon
there will be a bang.
On the other hand..minimal stock contact and sandbags will help
minimize heartbeat issues. If the weapon is firmly bagged and heavy
enough..heart beat becomes much less of an issue.
Prone, offhand and kneeling..those are what seperates the men from the
boys..
3 position or prone shooters seldom consume caffeine before a match,
and train to be in good physical shape, with a low resting heartbeat.
Once your rifle/optics are good to go..and you have proper rests..the
single biggest issue you will need to address is which ammunition your
particular rifle prefers. You will need to buy one box of every kind
of 22lr ammo, both cheap and expensive, and shoot 5 shots minimum for
group.
This may be of assistance
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_roundup_22LR.htm
http://www.nfa.ca/CFJ-Archive/Ballis...mmunition.html
It may surprise you that a $.99 a box brand may outshoot the $7 a box.
Its VERY gun dependant.
My Anshutz 54 shoots Winchester Wildcats (less than a buck on sale)
nearly as well as Eley Tenex Gold ($7)
Gunner
Bob Swinney
"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
Gunner, my question was more about the magnification factor you'd
recommend
for .22 RF off the bench. What is your best guess, 20 - 22 X? I want
the
opinion of someone that used has some of the high-X scopes for bench
shooting. I fully realize they would be almost useless for hunting, but
my
quarry is only a sub-1/4 group at 50 yards.
Bob Swinney
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:28:02 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:
Gunner sez:
" Im still shooting an ole Unertal 20x on my Anschutz 54 match rifle,
the Weaver 18x went on the Rem 40X"
So, is this a recommendation for a single power scope of around 20 - 22
X
for .22 RF work? I shoot "bench" with a Hart rest and a leather shot
bag
for the butt stock.
Bob Swinney
Bob..there are many many good scopes available today that are far
better than the old Unertals. Clearer, brighter. But they cost
dearly. As do the Unertals btw. If you shoot bench, then the size and
weight is not a factor and likely neither is brightness, assuming its
reasonable.
However..the Unertals etc are what I have..so I run what I brung, and
really have found no good reason to spend mega bucks on new hip slick
and cool optics. They have taken home the tropheys for me for years.
Gunner
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:04:35 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:
Thanx, Gunner. Those Tascos look good. I am leaning toward a single
power
scope though for .22 RF target use at 50 yards. Do you have a
recommendation, or anyone have a preference for any specific power?
I'm
thinking something around 20 X would be about right.
At this point..the big question is..what is your price range? Once
you get up over 10x...the price goes up with the
magnification..faster
actually. Also..reticle?
My long range personel interdiction rifles have fixed 10x for the
most
part. Weavers and Leopolds. For this kind of work..a fixed power
scope has advantages that a variable does not.
The varminters have a mix..Bushell, Lyman G, and Nikon.
Gunner
Bob Swinney
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:00:54 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:
Redux on Redux. I have a 15 to 45 X Simmons spotting scope. Its
normal
use
is for .22 RF at 50 yards, where it is set for around 25X. I
mostly
practice at 50 yards, trying to shoot 1/4 inch groups.
Occasionally,
I
will
slew the little Simmons over and see what the boys are doing at 100
yards.
No problem, at all, reading their 30 cal. holes. Cheap spotting
scopes
like
mine have plastic lenses, which are great with only a small
reduction
in
transmission. The more expensive ones have glass lenses - a little
better,
but a whole lot more money. I shoot with a vari-power Leupold
scope.
Glass, of course, marvelous optic; beautiful scope. I am
considering
getting another scope; pretty sure it will be a Simmons, single
power,
around 20X. It won't be quite as rugged as a Leupold but more than
sufficient for bench rest shooting. Think I'll save the Leupold
for
a
quality air rifle for back yard practice.
Bob Swinney
Take a hard look at these, before buying a Simmons.
http://www.tasco.com/riflescopes/tar...int_main.shtml
btw..this is a decent scope of its type....
http://www.eabco.com/Tasco03.htm
I hope that Leupold you have, isnt going on a spring gun.
Gunner
"Don Foreman" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:06:04 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:53:38 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:
SNIP ALL
Hey Don,
What does "redux" mean?? I know a "redoubt" is an outlying
fortification, but I've never seen the term redux.
"Revisited". The term may have come into more common usage
with
John Updyke's novel "Rabbit Redux", which was a sequel to
"Rabbit
Run".
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals
are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals
are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals
are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry