"Bruce Barnett" wrote in message
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Bruce Barnett wrote:
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Order does come out of chaos.


And it comes with a price. The ultimate price predicted by
thermodynamics is commonly called _the heat death of the
universe_.

That's entropy, which measured the total energy.

There are other forms or order and chaos that are not energy related.

I gave several examples of order evolving from chaos:
Crystals
Carbon nanotubes
Emegent systems.
Evolutionary simulations.


Order from chaos is a temporary thing.

Not necessarily. See above.




While entropy is related to energy flows, it is not a measure of energy.
The second law shows that if energy flows, there must be an overall increase
in entropy. If an ordered system is created, or if order in a system
increases, there must be a greater increase in the entropy of the
surroundings (i.e. the rest of the universe). It certainly does not inhibit
formation of ordered systems, only describes the cost of creating that
order.

Steve