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Ford Prefect wrote:
TonyB wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:

TonyB wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:


Ted B. wrote:



"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
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Per Ted B.:



your best bet for a car that will last a long time would be any
gasoline (only)

Why only gas-powered?


A number of reasons, the main one being that gas (only) designs
have been refined over many years to the point where even the
worst of the bunch are pretty darned reliable. Diesel (only)
designs are pretty close, in terms of reliability, but not QUITE
up to par with the gas (only) vehicles yet.

Diesel engines are far more reliable than gas engines, that's why
they are used for things like emergency generators and heavy
equipment. Cars with diesel engines often clapped right out before
the engine fails.


Again, there are exceptions, but if you want to play the odds on
a car that will last a long time, gas (only) is your best bet
right now and Japanese makes are also your best bet.

There are a number of other options including gas/electric
hybrids and even natural gas production vehicles. They all have
major disadvantages over gas (only) designs, though. Hybrids
are VERY complex, using extra parts that have limited lifespans
and are VERY expensive to replace. (read: batteries)


The batteries have warranties for 100,000 miles


And many of the frugal keep them for longer than that.



Very few people, even frugal ones keeps cars longer than 10 years.



Wrong.


It wouldn't be frugal to keep a vehicle when it gets to the point
when repairs begin to exceed the replacement of a comparable car in
good working order.



That doesnt normally happen.


Yes it does,


Fraid not.

check with the department of transportation


Completely useless on that.

For years I purchased 4-6 year old cars for peanuts and drove them
until a major repair raised it's ugly head, usually within 2-3
years ( transmission, engine)



That is completely silly with a decently designed car.


then it was on to the next one.



You would have been a lot better off choosing a better 4-6 year
old car that wouldnt need major repairs for another 10-20 years.

Plenty qualify.


You have a car you pay less than $2000.00, you drive it 2-3 years and
it's value is now such that it's a write off if you get a flat tire.


Mindlessly silly.

The tranny goes south, the engine seizes, blows etc.


Hardly ever happens with a car of that age.

The cost of repairs exceed the replacement value, you'd be a fool to keep it.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've
never ever had a clue. What matters is how likely that is
to happen and how long the replacement will last for.

In theory at least, any natural gas vehicle SHOULD be just as


reliable as a gasoline powered vehicle is. The problem with a
natural gas vehicle will be availability of fuel. Owner
satisfaction plays a DIRECT role in the long-term reliability of
any vehicle. Simply stated, if you like your car, you will take
better care of it. I don't see how any owner of a natural gas
powered vehicle could be real satisfied with a car that has
limited infrastructure support. Most hybrid owners seem to be
ecstatically happy with their vehicles, for now. That will
change fast when the hybrids are old enough to need their
batteries replaced, though.


Long after they have already sold the car


Irrelevant to what the frugal do.

Evasion of real world facts noted



Pathetic excuse for bull**** noted.

You clearly wouldnt notice the real world if it bit you on your lard
arse.
And if we are


talking about a vehicle to drive for ~20 years or longer, then
multiple rounds of battery replacements WILL be an issue for
hybrid owners. All things considered, gas (only) is the best
bet, right now (2005). -Dave

The average American does not keep their car anywhere near 20
years, so battery packs with a warranty of 100,000 miles is not
an issue. The U.S. Department of Transportation reports "Surveys
have shown that, on the average, a person trades in or sells a
car when it is only 4 1/2 years old with just 41,000 miles on it".



Irrelevant to what the frugal do.



Evasion of real world facts noted



Pathetic excuse for bull**** noted.

You clearly wouldnt notice the real world if it bit you on your lard
arse.


Good bye Rod


Usual response of the terminal prat when
its got done like a ****ing dinner, yet again.

Just another silly little kid putting its fingers in its ears,
closing its eyes and screaming 'nyah, nyah, cant hear ya'

Doesnt work, little boy.