David wrote:
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Reading many of the posts here they just slap plastic pipe anywhere.

I don't think that's true, being a fan of plastic I have read most of
the posts that have come up on the subject and I don't see any
justification for your comment. The posts I have seen all state that its
fine for out of sight but use copper in visible areas. You will find
your mentor condemns plastic out of hand and insists that the only place
for plastic is in the toybox, perhaps you would like to get into a
discussion with him about it?

I'm sure he is more than capable. If he said plastic is a no, no at all
costs, then I never took any notice.

you really are starting to sound like an amateur.

I am, in that I am not qualified in any way. Well I term myself as a
semi-pro as I earn a living from doing it. I am sure I know more than
all the plumbers I have come across, about the range of appliances and
types of systems available to get a decent flow at the showers and
baths, and save valuable space in a house. Thanks to forums like this.

s'funny that tradesmen are considered professionals in their field and
yet we condemn many of them as cowboys, when we claim to be semi-pro is
that like half a cowboy? doing a professional job is better than being
labelled a diyer, semi-pro or pro and that, I guess, is where this forum
comes in.

I'm sure there are some brilliant forward thinking plumbers who see the
clients views and main aims, unfortunately I have never come across
them. It wasn't their craft skills I was disappointed with, it was
their inability to deliver a system with minimal components that
releases space and gives high pressure flows.

The reason the combi argument rages around is that one size does not fit
all and space taken up by a cylinder is not always that valuable, many
people find combi's to be inadequate and have no problem with
conventional systems (like me for instance), you have found that the
information gleaned from a certain poster on here is useful for what you
do, fine, but I'm sure you will agree that it won't suit everybody in
every situation and that is where John falls down, he won't accept that
at all and takes the arguments to the silly lengths that they go to (I
do agree that its takes more than one to tango)

One size does not fit all that is true. I find that in most instances a
combi of some description will meet most of my requirements now I am
aware of the products available. I did put two combis in one house to
great success. Space is important to me, as is a neat and tidy box when
one is needed. I like some Gledhill cylinders as they are in a nice
square neat box with all the pumps inside out of the way. The last
think I want is a cold water tank and cylinder with pumps and valves
hanging off it. That is a real turn off when people open the cupboard.
In one house I fitted a combi at the back of the old airing cupboard,
to supply only the shower and put a low pressure combination cylinder
in the loft heated by the CH side of the combi. A great success, with
space liberated, fast bath fills and a high pressure shower. I am
interested in IMMs Rinnai suggestion to install outside and save inside
space and supply two body jet showers simultaneously. Rinnai, in
Runcorn, said they have a model that would do it, which being fitted
outside is a doddle to fit. Would my local plumber have suggested that?
I doubt it. This forum gave me that way and one landlord, Richman, has
already took it up in his student house.

I'm off to bed, as I have a hard week ahead.

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David