On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:51:45 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Lumpy" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:
If the threat passes the reasonable
man test..the actions taken
pretty much are :

1. find cover if possible
2. 2 to the chest, evaluate, 1 to the head.

Stev B wrote:
You say such a thing, and then say
you carry a gun and were a PO?

The training I had said that once the threat
is neutralized, i.e. the perp is wounded and
no longer a thread, you cannot do the "to
the head".

Nothing inconsistant there. If I attack you
with something that YOU deem a serious weapon,
you produce your firearm and warn me "Stop or
I will shoot you". If I continue to attack,
you shoot me twice in the chest to neutralize
me as a threat. If I keep coming (am still a
threat) you shoot me in the head (because I'm
drugged or wearing a vest or just plain stupid
enough to attack a person that has just shot me).

Once the defending party produces a firearm
and warns the offender, the situation changes
drastically. Anyone attacking a known armed
person who has announced his intention of
defending himself with his firearm is clearly
not acting reasonable.

This whole business about "you could get sued"
is a moot point. You could get sued for serving
coffee that's too hot. Meanwhile the idiot that
attacked you is dead. Dead is quite final.

As an ex cop who has both received a bullet in
the vest AND who has ended another person's life,
I can assure you that the mental/emotional stress
and life long punishment of shooting someone is far
greater than any criminal or civil or administrative
hearing could match. I was completely cleared of my
action in shooting the guy who was in the process of
pulling the trigger on his victim. But every single day
I carry with me the memory of how I had to make
the split second decision to end the life
of another human.

Throw ANYTHING at me, expect to have a gun pointed
at you. If you run away, story is over. If you stand
still, cops respond and not until that point do I
release you from my sights. Come toward me and you
will be dead. Your grieving widow is welcome to
sue me.


Sgt Lumpy

Thanks, Lumpy. You have further proven the point that shooting someone is a
far more complicated thing than some would portray it as being.

Steve

Shooting folks is easy. Dealing with it afterwards is the hard part.
Though..its actually damned hard to get most folks to shoot people.

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long