"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message
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I get the impression you would like to live in a lawless society.
There are laws in just about every state about harming domestic
pets,but you would rather act on your own and leave lethal traps
for them(except that the law doesn't see it that way.),in
"defense of your property",rather
than talk to the owner,or get the authorities involved.

Naturally, you know what's best IN THEORY, but I've dealt with
irresponsible dog owners for the past 25 years. There are two
types and ONLY two types:

Type 1: Knows that what they're doing is wrong, but doesn't give a
damn. Type 2: Doesn't realize that they're ****ed up. Too stupid
to own a dog, in other words.

My preference is to use the existing laws in my favor. Here, it's
3 strikes and your doggy is taken away forever. That usually takes
weeks. I've learned to compress the process into as little as a
week in one case. This usually involves retraining the dog
catcher. Many believe the dog owner should have a little time in
between visits, to "think about their mistake". Nope.

As far as eliminating the animal, I'd prefer to use a bullet, but
this is not possible in my neighborhood. However, make no mistake
about this, Jimmy boy: All day long, farmers cause nuisance
animals to vanish, and it's perfectly legal.

FARMERS,in agriculture-zoned areas,sure.
But most if not all of the queries HERE are from URBAN
homeowners,where it is is NOT legal.

Actually, in NY, you can end any animal that damages ANY food crop.

And WHERE do people grow food crops? Farms.
Most people posting here have not mentioned any gardens being
devastated. You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as
the general rule.

The law allows for protection of food growing plots of any size. I
believe it's a holdover from the victory garden days, during WWII.
Haven't you ever seen 1 acre food gardens? Some people do that for the
food, not just for enjoyment as I do. But, those plots are not
considered "farms". A 40x40 plot in a typical suburban neighborhood
may be protected in the same way as a farm.

Most urban dwellers do not have such garden plots.
And NONE of the posters here mentioned any gardens being damaged.
You're reaching again.AND trying to use an exemption as the general rule.


As far as "devastated", in my previous home, a couple of dogs were
doing exactly that: Digging in the easiest soil they could find, which
happened to be my garden. A one week old lettuce seedling does not
respond well to being ****ed on and then dug out of the soil. The
solution involved a conference with the town justice, a series of
warnings (one of which was rather horrific), and the sudden
"retraining" of the animal control person. It worked nicely.

I'm glad you haven't had to deal with something like this. It was NOT
enjoyable.


You keep on bringing up -exceptions- that are not common in urbania,and not
mentioned in any of the posts on this newsgroup,and then believe that's
justification for cruelty to animals in other circumstances.



They need to find a dead animal first. The key word is "find".
Otherwise, all they have is a missing pet report.

Ah,so you advocate an illegal act,then compound it by hiding
evidence,a second illegal act.
You must be a wonderful law-abiding citizen.(not)

If an animal was destroying your handiwork and you could get little or
no help from the authorities, I'm sure you'd handle it any way you saw
fit. Or, if you had to shell out cash to have your carpets cleaned
because of some asshole's pet, again, I'm sure you'd be over the top.

It's happened to me,tracked the crap right thru the living room and into
the kitchen,and I had to clean it myself.It's NOT any major carpet cleaning
deal.And I did go "over the top",and let the manager know about it.
The woman moved out shortly after that.(sad,she was VERY hot!)

You will say otherwise, however.



The first type,those that clean up afterwards
without any prompting,are the sort that would not use another
person's yard
anyways. "curb their dog in the *proper* places" should have been a
clue to
you.

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but people who clean up
after their dogs STILL walk them, and let the dogs do their thing on
other peoples' property. And, in some cases, they refuse to obey
requests to take their dogs elsewhere.

No,people who clean up after their dogs on their own are NOT the sort that
walk their dogs and leave crap where it's improper.


Thus the problem is with the dog's walker and not the dog itself.
So no "justification" for being cruel to the animal.

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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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kua.net