On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:40:34 -0700, G Henslee
wrote:
G Henslee wrote:
DJ wrote:
Does anyone have experience with this grout? Advice? Tips and/or
tricks?
DJ
Experience? Yes, but you don't. Stick to conventional grout.
Pray tell, how is one to gain experience if one does not try new
endeavors? None of us would even be here to have this discussion had
our parents not been a bit adventurous at some point in their lives.
G
I checked out their website regarding this product and in fairness I
should add I haven't used this particular product. I don't know what
Laticrete has done to make it easier to install than epoxy grout, but
maybe they're onto something. It's touted to be 'easy' for the first
time diy'er and easy to use as cement based grout, so let us know how it
goes for you.
Well, right off the top, I'd say it is not quite as easy as
conventional grout, but manageable. I would not necessarily recommend
it for someone's very first tile job.
Reading the instructions it gives a working time of 30 minutes, a bit
further it says to begin cleanup within 20 minutes. With those time
constraints in mind, I called in the friend who had helped me with the
cabinets and counters. He didn't have any tiling experience but I
figured he could follow behind and at least start the cleanup. Knowing
what I do now, I would not try it without another person there to
help.
Mixed per instructions, which says to add the "narrow grout line
additive" for joints less than 1/8" and hold out some of the
sand/color Part C. One of the AB epoxy parts had a congealed lump in
it, I ignored it, left it in the bag. The instructions say to "mix to
consistency", whatever that means.
Once mixed, which took some effort, the consistency was pretty thick,
more like a stiff, dry mortar mix than what I'm used to with grout.
Directions say to wet surface of tile which made quite a bit of
difference in how the grout would or would not stick to the glazed
surface and how easily the float floated across the surface. I used a
float designed for epoxy, much stiffer than a normal float. I really
don't think a normal float would have worked nearly as well.
It definitely takes some effort to get the grout into the joints, glad
I had the stiff float. I did about 4 feet and asked if my helper would
like to try it. He had watched me and I gave him a few hints, he
picked it up right away.
Once he worked his way over a bit, I started behind him with the
cleanup. Directions say to add 1/2 cup white vinegar to 2 gal. of
water. As soon as I started, the excess grout began to turn white, as
did the grout in the joints. Wipe, rinse, wipe, rinse, new water etc.
I must admit, at first I was a bit worried, it looked like crap for a
while, but gradually it began to clean off nicely.
My buddy was doing such a good job I just let him continue. Actually
it was much more work grouting than cleaning up. This was on a back
splash, 4.25" square tile, 1/16" joint, cabinets and counter already
installed, leaning over, fair amount of muscle involved, I gotta bad
back...
I sorta pulled a Huck Finn/Tom Sawyer on him, but he didn't mind and
it left me to go about the detail work on cleanup.
Directions say to begin final cleanup with dishwasher detergent and
water within 2 hrs. The grout definitely has an oily factor to it and
again, in the beginning, it didn't appear the cleaning solution was
getting it all off. Wipe, rinse, wipe, rinse, new water etc. Finally
it did quite well, leaving a slight oily haze. I tried some Windex
type window cleaner on the haze and lo and behold I was left with a
clean, shiny surface. It helped that I had a bright shop light to
illuminate the tile, easy to see where it was clean and where it
needed some more work. Pay attention to the edges/margins, it's easy
to miss some in that area.
We were about 50 minutes into it when the grout started to stiffen to
the point it would no longer go into the joint easily. We only had a
couple of feet left to go. Although one mini unit was spec'd to do the
entire area, I'd purchased an extra one in case we ran out of working
time.
I was about to mix up the other batch when I thought, "Hmmm, if water
will remove/dissolve the epoxy, why not try adding a few drops of
water to the mix to loosen it a bit. I tried it on a small amount of
grout and asked helper to see if it worked okay. It did, so I added a
very small amount of water to the remaining grout in the bucket. That
extended it well enough to finish.
We can't tell the difference where the regular mix stops and the water
extended grout began. All this was yesterday, looks great today.
Would I use it again? Yes, if the application called for it. The
color, Copper Beech, came out exactly the way I wanted and perfectly
matches the tile. The grout is pretty dark, if it's going to stain it
will have to be light stains. The color is slightly darker than it
looks he
http://www.spectralock.com/lifestylecolors.shtml
It's hard as a rock now, I hope I never have to dig any of it out...
The colors are not very true in this photo, not nearly as red as it
appears in reality and the variation in individual tiles are not
nearly as apparent in reality:
http://www.spodefest.net/images/kit_2b.jpg
BTW, that's not green slime on the micro, just a reflection from
outside the window.
Thanks to all who replied, great NG we have here!
David