On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:35:00 +1000, George Ghio
wrote:

wmbjk wrote:
And I guess you have some reading comprehension issues. Here's your
own quote that I was referring to when I wrote "more appropriate". Jan
27, 2005, George Ghio - "The key word is "Designed" I use propane for
cooking, fridg and hot water. Gas is an appropriate energy source for
these jobs."

Now, perhaps my use of "more" was a poor choice of words, but since
you started off by mentioning a "design", it seems clear to me that
you wrongly believed (or did believe) that propane *was* "more"
appropriate for water heating in your application.

Your use of the word "more" was a deliberate, (adj: By conscious design
or purpose; "intentional damage"; "a knowing attempt to defraud"; "a
willful waste of time"), LIE

Says you... I just thought that the same type of self-destructive
stubbornness that drove you to come out against AGM batteries, PV
tracking, and Kill a Watts was also the cause of your failure to use
the sun to heat water.

Anyway, I'm surprised you wanted me to look up that post, given it was
the same one where you wrote about the magic 8000 kWhr propane bottle.
Enjoy - "This comes to 1 - 45Kg bottle of gas every 6 - 8 weeks
depending on time of year. LPG is 50.1Mj/kg (45Kg = 2254.5Mjor the
equal of 8116.2 kWh)" Did you ever own up to that blunder? Of course
not, you never do.

626 kWh

What prompted you to finally own up to but a single blunder? Have you
run out of storage space?

It turns out there was something else topical in that post, when in
the course of trying to minimize the use of a generator to power your
"design", you wrote this - "The only things the gen runs in the house
is the vacuume." Disregarding the fact that laundry isn't often
counted as a shop load, the vacuum comment is kinda' strange given
that in this very thread you also wrote - "My work shop use has no
effect on the house system as there is no connection between them."
So, is the generator in the house, or in the shop? If it's in the
shop, then how does it power a "vacuume", in the house? Let me
guess... your "design" includes an extension cord, which in OZ,
doesn't count as a "connection"? I'm thinking we'll get to the bottom
of the Three Card Monte house/shop/generator about the same time you
explain the magic propane bottle.

Ah, I see. The workshop has no effect on the house system. No energy
generated by the house system is used in the workshop, and no energy
generated in the workshop is used to boost the house system.

As the floors in the house are slate, brick and concrete guess how much
the vacuume is used compared to the broom. Oh, sorry the broom has no
motor fitted so I guess you wouldn't know how it works.

Check your quote nitwit, you didn't say that the *workshop* powered
the vacuum, you said that the *generator* powered the vacuum, but that
there was no "connection" between house and workshop. However did you
get the nickname "Weasel"? Given your repeated motivational speeches
in favor of brooms, my guess is that you don't even own a vacuum
cleaner. But if you do, you're powering it with a generator at the
house or dragged over from the workshop, or by using an extension
cord. No matter, the supposedly invisible "connection" is just another
of your custom-home/power-system "design" elements requiring support
by bafflegab .

, nor have
explained your overwhelming penchant for consumer goods.

My "penchant" as you call it, is much closer to average than yours.
Not many people find it preferable to run a generator for small
appliances, or to idiotically rationalize doing without them.

Did you know
that you can bake 4 loaves of bread in the same time it takes to bake 1
loaf in a bread machine? Funny that, Eh.

You seem to have quite the jihad going against bread machines. Perhaps
with some hypnotism we could get to the bottom of that. Or could it
simply be that you're against *anything* that draws more current than
your "design" can accommodate? BTW, my wife bakes bread in the oven.
She uses the bread machine to mix, rise, knead etc. while she's doing
other chores. She could kick your ass around the kitchen or around the
business office, and would kick mine too if I was ****ing away money
on propane in order to save a few days work on solar water heating.

Not everybody want to live your couch potato lifestyle.

If being a "couch potato" means taking less than 20 years to knock off
a few days project, perhaps you should try it.

Then there is the little matter of why anyone should take advice from
you when you can't even define "Days of Autonomy" without some
imaginative "Reduction of Load". Industry standard is Days of Autonomy
at the normal daily load.

Unless using a generator or propane is harder than I thought, you're
not qualified to be judging anyone on matters solar. Should that
notion ever make the impossible journey through your skull, you'll
find the going a little easier in these newsgroups.

Wayne