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mike hide wrote:

The English bill of rights [after which the US one was modeled] was signed
into law around 1680.

In it the individual had the right to bear arms for "self
protection"......This right was overruled by the UK government based on a
case in Dumblain Scotland 10 or so years ago


Dunblane, Scotland, multiple murders of school children with multi-shot
handguns, the right to carry a firearm for self protection was
effectively removed many years before by Home Office/Police colusion in
not issuing firearms certificates for self protection, the phrase "as
allowed by law" is important here.

Now only the crooks have guns which they use liberally . Since the
individual no longer is allow to have a gun, gun crimes have
skyrocketed....mjh


The influx of foreign criminals has accelerated it, but yes it was a
growing trend anyway. As is assualt and murder by youths who've been
"diss'd" by other yoofs and a growing number of older people.
Your safer holidaying in the states than London, let alone Manchester
(known locally as gunchester)....

Take a look at:
http://www.cybershooters.org/
Gives a better idea perhaps.

Niel, former 1911 (note NO suffix, it was that old) shooter, the old
girls long gone, now a manhole cover :-(