On Mon, 16 May 2005 8:30:43 -0700, Arch wrote
(in message ):
Neill, I enjoyed your album very much. You all do remember Neill? He
started this thread many posts ago. So moving right along toward
putting it in the Guinness book as rcw's longest thread:
We've about exhausted discussing a bowl's nether parts, so it's time to
'troll for tops'. 
I liked Neill's treatment of the orifices on his
no. 2, 9 and 14 hollow forms. Clearly there is a place for, as well as
not for adding collars to closed forms. The same with gossamer walls.
Forget the bottoms.
When and when not to add collars to closed forms? To enhance a bland
timber? To strengthen an opening? Easier to make a wide opening and
add a narrow collar? An artful addition? A jarring discontinuity?
Intimations of artistic virtuosity? Indications of technical expertise?
It's what you have always done....or not done and turners you admire do
and don't do.
Whatever, how and when do you ladies and gentlemen consider adding
collars?
Turn to Safety, Arch
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thank you Arch,
im glad you enjoyed the pics.
i am amazed that this thread is still going. i never expected it to turn into
a controversy over turning techniques.... and another controversy over
finishing details, and all the other "thread drifts" along the way. its funny
too that after all of this, some of my original questions were never really
answered.
so now we want to talk about collars? ok thats fine with me. the reasons why
i have never added collars are pretty simple. a lot of my inspiration for
enclosed forms comes from places other than the modern woodturning world.
some of these would include potters, glass blowers, gourds & squashes, fruit,
nuts & seed pods, traditional or primitive functional storage vessels in
wood, clay, metal, basketry, etc. these forms tend to be of one material from
foot to orifice. my own personal preference is more toward pure forms and
flowing curves. i do admire some of the collared pieces i have seen. for me
though unless it is done really well a collar does often seem like a "jarring
discontinuity"
http://neillswoodturning.myphotoalbum.com/