Robert Bonomi wrote:
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USENET READER wrote:

Robert Bonomi wrote:


In article et,
USENET READER wrote:


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Such a thing can be done in a reasonable manner, or in an unreasonable manner.
When the "request" is couched in language *DELIBERATELY*INTENDED* to inflame,
it is, prima-facie, an _unreasonable_ action.

my original comment qualifier was: "Please - no BS comments from people
who really can't answer the question." How is that an unreasonble manner?


Hint #1: "no BS comments"
Hint #2" "from people who really can't answer the question"

Call it "deliberately waving a red flag" if you like.

Any expectation that such language will get a positive response *IS*
unreasonable.


I am simply asking people to respond on the original topic if they can,
and resist the temptation to offer useless advice or information that
couldn't possibly begin to address the original topic.


LIAR. you went out of your way to offend people. With maybe 5 seconds
worth of _thought_, you could have phrased your request in a *NON*OFFENSIVE*
manner.

But, you -wanted- to stir up a fight.


The fact is, you didn't "ask", you *demanded*. And lashed out at those
who failed to follow your demands.

Asshole - I wrote "Please - no BS comments from people who really can't
answer the question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!" I
even said "please" and "thank you" in advance - how much more nicer
could I ask people to resist the temptation to offer bull****, off-topic
responses?


Try this on for size: "Please shut the **** up, you stupid, ignorant,
narrow-minded, opinionated, red-neck *******. Thank you." Now, let's
see if _you_ respond in the requested manner to *that* request. After all,
I even said "please" and "thank you" in response -- how much more nicer
could I ask? (Note: if _you_ won't play by _your_own_rules_, any expectation
on your part that _anyone_else_ would do so is clearly delusional.)

That aside, you only 'requested' no BS comments from "people who really
can't answer the question." Even by the actual request, anyone who
_could_ answer the question *WAS* free to make BS comments.

And you even bitched about those responses that *did* comply with the
actual request you made.

You simply wanted to pick a fight.


Of course, that _was_ your intent. in the first place. you didn't want
a reasoned discusion. you wanted a "fight".

No - by saying "Please - no BS comments from people who really can't
answer the question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!" I
wanted only on-topic responses. You people either can't read and
comprehend the meaning of those words in between "please" and "thank
you", or you just can't control yourselves.


Repeating: "Please shut the **** up, you stupid, ignorant opinionated
narrow-minded red-neck *******. Thank you."

Now, we'll find out whether _you_ "either can't read, or just can't control
yourself."


Well you are one asshole contractor who won't get my business. It's my
money and if I want to have someone come to my house who won't waste my
time with corn-pone, cracker-barrel stories about windows and doors that
are not relevent to my questions,


Thats ok. You are already a proven LIAR on the subject anyway. You
already said you did not intend to use an installation contractor -- that
you were going to install the windows yourself. So any "illegals" on the
premises are your own personal liability.

No - asshole - I said I was looking for un-biased advice on the pluses
and minueses of the different types of wimdows. When did I write (not
say - you can't say things in print, or don't you understand that?).


My, oh my. You appear to be suffering from Alzheimers, or some other form
of illness that such that your short-term memory is badly impaired (in
addition to your apparent Tourettes Syndrome behaviors). You are unable to
remember remarks that you made in a public forum less than *ONE*WEEK*AGO*.

I quote:

From: USENET READER
Message-ID: . net
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:33:22 GMT

....

I am looking to buy the windows and install them myself, .....

....


As you can see, you _did_ state exactly what I claimed you did.

And you _are_ a proven liar, for denying that you did so.

Since you *did* announce that you were not a 'customer', nor even a
"potential customer" of any installer, anything based on "the customer
is always right" quite simply, _by_your_own_declaration_ *DOES*NOT*APPLY*
to you.

As for "you can't say things in print, or don't you understand that?",
you have no business criticizing others for that when *YOU* do exactly
the same thing, "In print". In a public forum. With records readily
available to prove it. On more than one occasion. And as recently
as in the last 48 hours.




I
said I would not use any contractor who hires illegals. If that means I
have to install the windows on my own, how does that make me a liar?


You keep demonstrating the failings of your memory. You said, *in*these*
*exact*words* that you are "looking to buy the windows and INSTALL THEM
MYSELF." (emphasis added)

You are not in the market for installation services.

You have no intention of hiring an installation contractor

You are not even a 'potential customer' of an installer.

Any assertation of how you should be treated _because_ you are a
potential customer of an installer is thus based on a "known to be false"
premise. The one-word description of a person who makes such assertations
is a "liar". In this instance, that person is _you_.


If
anything, it makes any contractor who hires illegals a CRIMINAL - it is
against the law to hire illegals. Or don't you know that either?


You stated that you, *yourself* intended to do the install. Thus, as
previously stated, any "illegals" on the work-site are *YOUR* criminal
liability.


Also, if you plan to bring illegal immigrants to my home to do the work,
so you can afford another steel and gold Rolex while other US citizens
and legal immigrants can't find work because you will only hire illegals
who work for slave labor wages, stay the **** home.


snicker You really don't know anything about the way Ed ran his business
do you? For starters, he *hates* Rolex.

"Rolex' is a symbol (you know what a "symbol" is, don't you?) for people
who love to screw their fellow Americans - no one who wears a Rolex on
theri wrist is gonna actually work in the trenches for a living, are
they?


In point of fact, I know several people who work in the trenches (literally!
"in the trenches" -- they do pipeline installation work) who wear Rolexes --
because they are the _only_ watch that they have found that can stand up to
the rigors of the environment they work in. Old Rolex Oysters can be found
for relatively reasonable amounts.

Thus, you have your "facts" wrong, again. As if you care about facts.


I am sure Ed didn't do the actual work - he is one of those khaki
trouser wearing supervising assholes who makes all the money and does
none of the actual "work".


What credibility are you talking about - if you hire illegals and pay
them slave labor wages, you have no credibility.

And if it were the case that he paid *premium* wages, because he hired only
the _best_ workers; that he had 50+ applicants for every opening; that there
was a 3+ year waiting list to work for that operation, *then* what would
you say?

What are "premium wages"?


How does roughly 25% _above_ "union scale". with full benefits, strike you?
.

Is that compared to minimum wage, what they
pay at Wal-Mart, or in comparison to the regular wages they pay
illegals? If he hires illegals as "independent contractors" and doesn't
pay Social Security, Workman's Comp, Unemployment Insurance, he can
afford to pay a higher wage for the best people who will work under
those conditions, but he is still hiring illegals and he is still
BREAKING THE LAW!



If you tell me to take
what you want to give me and don't ask questions, then you have no
credibility as a vendor and no wonder you aren't in the business anymore.

Do you know how many years he was 'in the business', without a SINGLE
customer complaint? Do you have any idea what kind of _profit_ he
sold that business for?

If he hires illegals, I could really give a **** about all that. And
why don't you go ahead and tell me how many years he was in business
for, how much he sold the business for, and the hourly wage he pays his
illegals? You seem to know that info - why not offer up really useful
info and not useless crap that we can't possibly guess at? That is
because you don't believe in offering up useful info - you only offer crap!


Do you have *one* piece of information to so much as suggest that *ANY*
person that _ever_ worked for his company was an 'illegal alien'?

Go out and look at any work crew on new construction or a remodeling job
- they are almost all illegals that don't speak a word of English. This
asshole sounds like the type who not only thinks every crackerbarrel
story out of his mouth is like the voice of God Almighty, and this type
of ignorant asshole thinks he can break any law that he wants to - as
long as he makes more money.

Do you know the meaning of the words "slander", and "libel"?

Yet again: "Please shut the **** up, you stupid, ignorant, opinionated ,
narrow-minded, red-neck *******. Thank you."

Please shut the **** up, you stupid, ignorant, opinionated,
narrow-minded, red-neck *******. Thank you.