"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:47:33 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:34:49 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

As millions die of hypothermia. My GOD! What warped logic. What
self
centeredness.

Not really - just pragmatism.

So millions of people should
die of hypothermia in a very rich country because of
self centeredness and half baked political ideals.

I didn't say that at all.

You DID!

I was simply making the point that
economics is a far more effective
tool than legislation.

Soemtimes. In other situations it is not.

I am not opposed to energy saving
in a sensible way at all.

Well what are you on about then?

In this case, somewhat ineffective
as well. How would you prevent people
from wasting energy by legislation?

- Have housing, new and renovated at
superinsulation levels. Adopt the
German Passiv Solar regs.

Limited applicability to existing housing stock

Will make effect in time. We are short
of 4 million homes, if all were
German passiv...

Well they're not.

Go away..

- Legislate that cars are to be cleaner
and more economic, ridding ourselves
of the 19th century technology we drive around on.

Already being done.

Prey tell. Where?

Road tax based on ecological factors

I see no measures to improve the efficiency of vehicles.

You don't need to be that bright to
see what can be done to improve
matters for everyone.

Exactly. But legislation alone won't achieve it.

The private sector has not, so
legislation it will have to be.

It is ompletely pointless to legislate
if there is no way to enforce
the legislation

Car makers can easily be legislated. House building can be easily
legislated. Boier are to be 86% in ayears time - legislation.

People make
decisions primarily based on
economic and convenience criteria.

So legislation is needed to make
sure what they buy conforms.

There is already more than enough of that.

There isn't as we are choking ourselves and running out of fossil fuel.

Have a law against putting heating under
patios or opening windows?

You can't put heating in conservatories.

Yes you can. It's quite easy really.

You are not supposed to.

Who said?

If you build a new conservatory and the building
inspector gets to know there is heating in there you are in trouble.

Rubbish. As far as I am aware, the only requirements as long as the
conservatory is otherwise exempted from building regulations are to
have glass that is conformant with the safety requirements and to have
separate control for any heating. Exemption does require a thermal
separation from the house as though the divide is to the outside.

Try
and get a conservatory company to install heating in.

No need, it's an easy DIY job.

Poinless comment.

They are supposed to be unheated
rooms.

Says who?

The regs.

Which "regs". Where? Please provide the reference in the
appropriate Statutory Instrument.

Go to the council and ask about conservatories and heating in them.

Millions do and add to global warming. Many find that 1/3 of their
heating bill is heating a glass uninsulated box at the back of the
house.

That depends on location, construction and design.

Has anyone made a conservator that is well insulated?
A glass box cannot be
well insulated no matter how hard you try.

That's a matter of degree.

I repeat: "A glass box cannot be well insulated no matter how hard you try."

This is unacceptable.

That isn't for you to decide.

It is, and many millions more think the same way too.

You may think that you are in charge
of other people's lives,

I do think, or want, to be in charge of others lives. I don't other
people's lives effecting me, and us, and the future generations.