Mark & Juanita wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:09:08 -0600, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Nate Perkins wrote:
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Tim,
Very well reasoned and well-written response.
Under the previous administration the North Korean program was
stopped dead in its tracks. Dunno about Iran. But, no evidence
of NPT violations by Iran has emrged. Thus far if Iran has any
violations, they have kept them well-hidden while being quite
bold about their actions within the NPT limitations.
Another logical fallacy. The absence of proof is not the same
thing as the absence of the action in question. It is impossible
to believe that the Koreans were "stopped dead in their tracks"
under the previous administration - this would mean that they
spooled up an entire nuclear weapons program from whole cloth
in only the last 4 years - this is very unlikely.
No, it does not mean that at all. It defies reason that anyone
would suppose that is a reasonable inference from what I wrote.
What I wrote, as opposed to what I have to think is a delberately
deceptive misrepresentation is that they were stopped NOT that
their weapons infrastructure was removed or destroyed.
That they were able to create nuclear weapons within a year of two
(not four) after resuming their weapons implies that they were
stopped at a point where they were onlyu a year or two away from
their first weapon.
Anyone who had an interest in the subject and was following the
news knew that their weapons facilties were locked and sealed by
the IAEA, subject to continuous remote monitoring and reinspection.
The accusation leveled by the Bush administation, that they were
somehow coninuing their weapons development program while being
actively monitored by the IAEA also defies reason. Notably,
the Bush administartion presented no evidence whatsover to support
that cliam though it has not been at all shy sbout presenting
evidence (e.g. detection of noble gasses off the coast) that North
Korea has continued its progam AFTER the Bush adminstration reneged
on its agreements prompting NOrth Korea to openly resume nuclear
weapons production.
Actually, it would have had to have happened even faster, they were
already making rumblings about having nukes 2 years ago.
See above.
Fact is, while
the West was shipping food and aid and supporting the building of
"non-weapon" capable nuclear facilities, the NK's were continuing
their
pursuit of nuclear weapons and improving their ballistic missile
technology. They couldn't have spooled up their missile program in a
short
two years either (NoDong shot over Japan).
Here you confabulate two different programs. The agreement that
halted the North Korean nuclear weaposn program did not address
their missile program. BTW, what was the date of the first Nodong
launch.
In other news, related to the article at the top of this thread:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/12/wis...ngs/index.html
Obviously the way to prevent crimes of this nature is to stop
and search any Christian males (regardless of denomination)
attempting to board, er, enter a Church. After all, they fit
the profile of an insane mass murderer.
Actually, since for the most part you cannot reliably determine
a person's religion per se from their identifying documents it
would be better to search anyone who is a national of a nation
that has a significant Christian population.
I realize this may seem extreme to some people, but clearly it
would have saved those lives in Wisconsin and a number of
others in similar incidents over the past several years.
--
FF