In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

I agree with your comments. I would add the respect has to flow
both ways though.

I'm at a loss to understand your position. My comments that started this
ugly exchange are copied he

(quote one)
"Sorry, Robin. You have been misinformed. A properly set up centerless will
yield what is, for all practical purposes, dead round parts. Only when
they are run *on center* do they not. In fact, they are capable of very
close work, with outstanding repeatability."

I did see that comment. I also saw the later one:

(quote two)
"That smart assed punk kid needs to be taught some respect.
I've spent more hours running a centerless than that smart mouthed little
******* has been in the shop. It's plain damned amazing how someone can
work in the trade for a couple years and get so knowledgeable that they know
all about things they've never touched. "

Granted in between the two, he did compare you to cliff. But honestly
the two quotes above are pretty far apart. You did not address the
second to robin true. You knew he would read it.

If you can point out to me where I was not paying due respect to another,
I'd be grateful. I felt my answer to Robin was more than adequate to
dispel the notion that parts can't come out round, that the machine was not
suited to the application. I simply stated facts, with no personal attack
of any kind. It might not hurt for you to go back and read how that mess
got started. If you still feel I'm the one that is responsible, please
explain it to me.

Umm. I thought things were going pretty well until he drew the
cliff-analogy. Granted that started the ball rolling. Your reply
was pretty strong - it was a bit of an eye-opener for me, I thought
when I read it there was maybe something going on back-channel between
the you and robin, or that maybe you were having a bad day otherwise.
I've never been compared to cliff. Not sure what I would do in that
case...

Granted there are few here who know as much as you do on that particular
subject. It wasn't clear to me that robin was questioning your expertise
on it as questioning the applicability in the application under question.
I will indeed have to look again at what transpired.

Does this all fall under the 'by the time you're old enough to know
a lot about something, that means you can react strongly to the
younger guys in the shop' rule?

Sometimes the younger guys know more than the more experienced hands
on some subject. Does that mean they get to react just as strongly, to
them?

What is to be respected, knowledge or wisdom? I would say both.
Grace under pressure is when the young buck kicks sand on your
shoes, and you make it clear that a) you know more about it then he
does, b) you do it in an even-handed tone, and c) he feels bad and
apologizes because you've been so nice to him.

I think c) is unlikely now.

Oddly I cherry-pick both your, and robin's, posts here. You for
the wisdom - long years of experience. Robin because he's one
of the posters here who is currently deep in industry, in the
machining field he's been trained for. I guess I'm really just
muddying the waters here but in my defense you did ask me
to explain my comments - I don't think that any one person
is responsible, as you say.

You two may be years apart but I suspect you closer together than
you both realize. Certainly if the two of you were put in a room
with 98 other people you would stand out as the most closely matched
in skills.

Respectfully - Jim


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