On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:34:43 -0800, "AAvK" wrote:


Thanks for including the word "extremists" in that, Doug... I think
that's a key word in the argument....
From what I understand, the muslim religion abhors the type of killing
that terrorists do and that most of what folks like Bin Laden (sp?)
preach is actually against the real muslim religion..
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Yeah...heh heh...if you only knew what the Q'uran involves in it's doctrine for
"real muslim religion"... those terrorists are doing what it says, as learning
from the Q'uran.

Like hell!
The Koran has very specific prohibitions against 'terrorist' actions.
While it recognizes all non-believers as enemies of Islam, it imposes
limits on the methods which may be used to oppose, or fight, them.

For example:

[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you,
and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who
exceed the limits.

or again:

[18.74] So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him.
(Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for
manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.

Qur'an 2.190, 18.74
(Shakir Translation)

The most commonly quoted Koranic justification for killing
non-believers is in 2.191 "slay them wherever you find them." However
if you read the entire Surah (chapter) the context makes it clear that
this refers only to those who are actively in arms against Islam and
that excessive killing is forbidden.

Even more than the Bible the Koran is a very situational book. Much of
it deals with Mohammed's pronouncements on specific cases at specific
times and places. That means that, like the Bible, if you comb through
it you can find verses which seem to support all kinds of practices.
The Haidth (traditions) is even worse for that.

Unfortunately in the wake of 9/11 some people, mostly Christian
fundamentalists, have taken to searching out verses, Haidth and
incidents from Islamic history which give a preverse picture of Islam.

This is not to say that Islam is a religion of tolerance and brotherly
love. It is not, in general. Islam is a very complex phenomenon and it
speaks with many voices. However there is a general consensus within
Islam about what is an is not acceptable.

Osama bin Nutcase and his ilk are definitely well beyond the pale.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.