Mike, I don't know where you live, and maybe you've done this already,
but General International has distributors all over N.America. I don't
know why you lump them into the "mail order" group; I bought my 50-185L
in a real brick-n-mortar shop.

Check the Distributors link at

http://www.general.ca/english/main.html

-Chris

Mike W. wrote:
OK WWing experts....

Let me first start off by saying I have been watching for a used saw
for
some time but nothing worth buying has shown up in the papers around
where I
live. Also, I don't really want to mail order something as big as a
saw. I
think there is too much risk involved with that for me so that rules
out
Grizzly and General International among others.