"igor" wrote in message
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I do the same. I measure the pieces to fit the cabinet, assemble the
pieces
with pocket hole screws and then attach to the carcus.

It is my understanding from Swingman's post that he measures the carcass
_to_ the FF (I may be wrong about this), while you measure the FF to the
carcass.

I jumped too soon. I build the carcus first, the face frame second, and
then attach. After doing these for several years you learn what to watch
out for.

Also, I thought that squaring of the cabinet was done and _set_
when the back piece is attached.

For the tops I use backs but still rely on the face frame to square and keep
square the cavinet. For the bottom cabinets, which I have been building
lots of lately I do not use backs for the cabinets. I leave it all open so
that the plumbing does not become a nightmare when installing on bathroom
and kitchen jobs. Typically the wall is painted white and it helps to make
things lighter down there.

Certainly that is what happens (and is
all that could happen) w/ frameless cabs.

Possibly so however I have never built any frameless Euro style cabinets.

So what is the big deal with FF
and square?

I do not know. It is very easy for me to build a square face frame and as
long as the cabinet is built square and with equal height sides the frames
fit great.