On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:28:02 GMT, "BigWallop"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:08:08 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:

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- Property is sold and buyer's solicitor/surveyor picks it up. I
think that this is the most likely.

.andy


The part above is the one that is going to bring everything into line. It
is soon coming that the seller has the house the surveyed before a sale, not
the buyers. So in a time when the house is going up for sale, the seller
needs the new paperwork to say the house is up to sellable condition, which
includes the safety of all appliances and permanent fixtures that are being
sold with house.


This is another complete nonsense. Who in their right mind would
rely solely on information provided by the vendor or somebody
appointed by him? There is a fundamental conflict of interest with
this, no matter how much is said about professional integrity etc.
I am sure that some unscrupulous estate agents will have their tame
"professionals" lined up to provide information that while perhaps not
a direct lie will have getouts or be economical on what is said to
give the barest minimum of information.

In the end, buyers, if they want to have reasonable certainty will
still want to have their own surveys so this only adds to cost and
creates jobs for the boys.



I do wish people wouldn't just pick the one new part of one small
requirement, but actually looks at the new parts of all the new requirements
that are springing up in all the trades conditions of work act. They are
all working together on this you know. It's not just "Part P" of the small
changes, it's a blanket coverage of all the trades. Read more about this
rest of the changes that are taking place shortly before going on about this
silly little Part P.


If you believe that, you would believe anything. Have you been taking
Prescott classes or something.

All of these new self certification schemes are basically the same
thing. They appear to be providing the consumer with some protection
and cost the taxpayer quite a lot of money to create. However, it's
nothing like the money required to do a proper job with supervision,
so the government effectively outsource this to the trade
associations. However, the same cost issue applies. The money
simply isn't there to do a complete inspection job in all cases.
Another effect of the outsourcing is that the opportunity for this to
be joined up is lost. Do you imagine that FENSA will talk to NICEIC
on a detailed level? Of course not.

The basic, core building regulations and methods of operating them
through BCOs make a lot of sense, but the self certification schemes
certainly do not if the objective is as you describe. It simply won't
work.

As the Americans would say, the whole thing is one big circle jerk.
I hope that the government participants will get to eat the soggy
biscuit before too long.......



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..andy

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