On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:44:34 +0000, Owain wrote:

"Tim S" wrote
| The conclusion on doing DIY work was inconclusive, though a strong
| argument was made that anyone could certify their own work (for DIY) as
| long as they "were competant" to quote the IEE regs.

That is for GAS. (Not the IEE regs bit, but the "competent" criterion.)
There is NO requirement for competence under Part P. After all, they're
allowing NIC-only-one-person-in-a-firm-needs-a-qualification-EIC to
self-certify.

?

Must be talking at cross purposes. Could be me, in which case I apologise.


(The main reason for a CORGI to sign off DIY gas heating installation is
not the Gas Safety Regulations but Part L requiring somebody to sign that
you've put thermostatic radiator valves in, and to qualify for some
manufacturer's warranties on the boiler.)

| I'm the sort of bloke who if I were going to do this, might be
| interested in doing a specific course (assuming it's one of those 2-3
| day things), then at least I can do it right.

The IEE do 2-3 day courses. However, you would also need the apppropriate
test equipment which must be calibrated periodically.

Hireable I'm sure. For a fee. Which even for this should be less than a
NECEIC bod doing it (£150 +/-50??)

| I beg to differ, but I think the case of who can certify what for DIY
| work is still as clear as mud AFAICS.

It's quite clear(ish). One of the following applies:

- the work is within the definition of permitted work[1], not in a kitchen
or bathroom or other specified location - DIY permitted, providing work
complies with the Readers Digest Picture Book of Sockets and Switches. -
the work is carried out by a person [whose employer is] registered with a
certification body eg NICEIC - operative self-certifies - anything else, a
building regulations application to the council is required

I'm clear on this bit - "what type of work needs certifying".

I'm not at all clear on who can certify at the end of works for which a BR
application was made.

a) Hire-for-reward professional sparky - must be NECEIC member in the
firm, I think. Reasonably clear.

b) DIYer - not at all clear to me after following this discussion for
months.

I've seen opinions varying from "get a bloke who could do a) to certify
your work" to "anyone can write out an IEE test cert if they are competant
and have correct calibrated test gear" to "random CEng/MIEE with test gear".

The last option was indicated verbally to me be be acceptable by one
senior BCO. I hadn't asked about "certificate written out by anyone
competant".

Assuming that for DIY, one does do a BR notification where required, what
seems highly unclear is who is allowed to certify your work (you/a random
engineer/paid-NECEIC-sparky). I suspect that will be subject to much
variation depending on council.


Much like windows with FENSA, etc.

I'd hate to get into that(!)

Timbo

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