":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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Now look at the water industry. What a shambles. The service levels
are
appalling. Every house should have 50 litres/min of water at 4 bar. Do
we
get it like other countries?

In many countries we have it better....

Not on your Nelly. We spend a fortune on
antiquated tank and cylinder systems to cope with the appalling water
supply.

So you would prefer a system that has no reserve, so when the delivery
system fails so does any means of having water for 'vital' domestic health
related services also fail ?...

Britain & Ireland are virtually alone in the tank/cylinder setup. It seems
all the world is wrong. I have nor experienced a water cut in decades.

To have a shower in which you don't have to run around in to get
wet we have to install pumps.

I know of new houses which still only have 1/2" plastic mains pipes
fitted.
Unbelievable.

A Yorkshire water company was erecting stand pipes and cutting off
supplies
as the reservoirs were too low. Over 30% of the mains were leaking, so
all
their money should have been repairing the leaks and replacing mains.
Not
on your Nelly! They paid a dividend shareholders and paid an extra
special
divvy as well. How can these people pay dividends when the system
requires
millions to make it work. Total rip off merchants. I would burn em all.

That is the trouble with public services
being run as a profit making,
dividend paying company, there will
always be a conflict between what should
be done and what is done

The law says the company must put them first. The company must be geared to
make money for them. Madness.

- just as with any true private company, but in
those companies the customers have *real*
choice, not just imaginary choice.

The private sector exists to make a profit rather than provide a
service - I have no problem with that. "Enhanced services", such as
the internet are fine in the private sector, where real competition
can take place "for fun".

The basis of competition is not for fun, it is for improvement of
shareholder return.

Exactly. Service levels should be first, and only first. Profit is a
bonus

That only comes about when customers choose to
buy the product or service from that company.

Or have no choice to, like water or drugs.

The Internet is far from being an
enhanced service, it is absolutely
core and fundamental to business
today and even to the creaking public
sector. Competition has been one
of the key factors for the survival
of the fittest

The service levels given by ISPs is appalling. It is all geared to make
money, not provide a service.

I have no problem in what level service is given by the ISP, there is
genuine choice available, but I do have a problem with the delivery system
were many have no choice what so ever - you either use BT wires or you
don't
use the service who ever the ISP (or phone) supplier is.


and it should be that
way in almost all service
industries, especially healthcare,
education and energy.

This man is mad. He wants the NHS to be like Wannadoo.
God forgive him as he knows not what he does.

He seems wants it like the USA, were those with money have the best care,
those below poverty get charity and those who are neither fail into a
void -
and there are plenty in that last group, there health often getting worse
until they are either in poverty or have to be registered as disabled and
thus get Medicare.


I entirely agree with many assertations that there is a lot of
inefficiency in the public sector, but fail to see any "service"
improvement by turning to the private sector.

Where the customer has a genuine choice and there is competition,
there will almost always be an improvement in what the customer gets.

But in the 'service' sector such as water, energy and to a great extent
telecoms there is no real choice, only who you pay the bill to - that is
not
genuine choice.


With water and drugs you don't.

The usual reason for problems is continued government
meddling.

NO. the problems are because it is in profit making greedy hands.

I have no problem with dividends or bonus payments, but only after the
system is working 110 percent, until then those in charge have failed
there
prime duty (and anyone who argues that dividends / bonuses are the prime
function of a [public] service company shows their true colours IMO).