On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:47:19 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

We are now seeing the results of "Thatcher's
children". She said "there is no such thing as
society" and promoted it in a big way, me, me, me.

Our resident Little Middle Englander comes in to defend the indefensible.

I thought that that was your forte.




NO. She encouraged Me, me, me, F**k you I'm all right.

I don't recall her use of the F-word.......





The wicked witch encouraged the latter. I know I was there, I saw it.

Where?





I don't think that there was indoctrination
about selfishness

Millions saw differently.

I wonder if it was the same millions who can now see through the
current regime.



Not so. The UK is particularly bad.

Not from my observation.



Britain is strewn with litter and fly tipping.

So are the other countries that you mention,

Nowhere near to the disgusting levels of the UK.

Not my observation, and I typically spend around a third of my time
outside the UK.

Although in recent years,
since New Lab got on the job, it has got better.

I don't think so.




Millions do not share that view, as they too see the marked difference.

Which I suppose leaves millions who do.



Not to the levels of the Thatcher inspired UK

I don't believe that any government has that fine level of influence.



How many kids dread their parents
being called to the school to
talk to the teacher, when they know
that the teacher could easily face
a head-butting from a crazed father?
British society is incredibly
confrontational.

Blame Thatcher.



For what?

The appalling bad attitude of the generation she influenced.

A worldwide issue. I don't believe that MT, even in her wildest
dreams imagined that she had that level of influence.


One can always level a charge sheet
against a former prime minister. Those
of Wilson and Callaghan hardly show them as
paragons of virtue.

Compared to the Wicked Witch Thatcher, theya reparagons of virtue.

When is your next trip to the optician's?






Constitutional change has very little to do with it.

He is unable to identify the root cause .

The root cause is the regular changing of policies by successive
governments on issues that take at least a generation for an effect to
be seen.




There is a complete spectrum of
constitutional structures all over the western
world and they all have the societal difficulties
that we do.

Not to the levels of the UK.

Don't get out much, do you?



Legislation is welcome, but only treating the
symptoms not the cause. Many blame the
latchkey kids as homes require two
parents to work to support the family.

That has been the case since the 50s.

And that may be so, but worse under the Wicked Witch.

I'd never seen our "first lady" in quite that way.



Because women also want to pursue a
career outside the home

Compared to the number of women about very few are career women, and the
vast majority want to be at home with the kiddies.

I would ask around about that if I were you, but you might want to
wear a cricket box when doing so; assuming that it is relevant of
course.




They have no choice. Either live in a sink estate or both parent work and
the family suffers, and hence society at large.

I don't disagree with you about the integrity of the family, but there
are numerous causes of juvenile crime and antisocial behaviour.



..andy

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