"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:19:42 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



It. Follow the simple instruction. One selling point of SIPs is that
unskilled men can be easily trained up in them. No expensive hard to
get
tradesmen.

Really? We just saw an example of what can go badly wrong when
people who are supposed to either have been skilled or trained (it
doesn't matter which) use the technology.

We see far, far more of it in masonry houses with fully skilled people.

That wouldn't be difficult - far more are built.

Far more in percentage terms too, and all fully skilled tradesmen too.

That is all it is - a selling point. The reality differs.

and when things do go wrong, they are
expensive to fix.

Depends on what went wrong. Replacing one wall panel is easy. Some
can
be
patched up with OSB and foam injected.

Great for structural integrity.......

Ever seen a SIP? Of couse you haven't.

Of course I have. They are only foam and OSB, nothing magic.

You have only seen pictures on the web from web site I gave. Don't make
things up.

For a successful outcome, all elements
have to be in place and work correctly.

Same with any construction method.

Exactly. Nobody claims that for traditional masonry or timber
construction that unskilled labour can be used.

No one is claiming that with SIPs.

With this, the manufacturers, (and you through blind cut and paste)
are asserting that skill isn't required. This simply isn't true.

I, and the makers, are saying no such thing.

- it is not all plain sailing.

It is. A weatherproof shell can be up within a few days.

It is possible for an installation
problem to result in a rotting
structure.

Same with any construction method. The Alaska failures were blantant
negligence.

It doesn't matter. The manufacturers are
claiming that unskilled labour can be used

They are not. they say that unskilled people can be trained up very quickly
on them. There are courses on how to erect them.

and that the construction goes together easily.
It doesn't,

It does go together easily.

because it is possible to make errors.

Only if you are a cowboy.

If it were such that it *can't* be put together wrongly, then the
unskilled labour claim would have some substance.

No one makes such a cliam.

snip the narrow minded babble of a mentalist

The mentalist goes on...

Does pride mean some baked clay
(bricks), light blocks and the rest
Paramount boards? My oh my. The
end result of SIPs is a house more solid
and robust than bricks.

For how long?

For ever. The oldest wooden structure in the UK is from the 11th century.

We have a good idea of how long houses made from
traditional materials and methods will last.

These will outlast them. Traditional materials? Blocks are pretty as are
paramount boards. they make up a large part of a "traditional" house.

The SIP houses in Kobe all survived
the earthquakes with superficial damage
while those around all fell down.

We don't live in an earthquake zone.

Your focus is poor. You have said SIPs are ticky tacky, when the opposite is
true. You have never been in a SIP house.

Obviously one uses flexible
materials where there is a risk of earthquake.

Do you? Well SIP homes are taking off like wildfire in Japan.

You obviously know nothing of
construction. That is sad.

You obviously know nothing of the
applicability of materials and
construction to the location.

You obviously know nothing of construction, so stop making things up.